Now that you mention it, the only other Tech fan have I've seen since that game is my co-worker who also wasn't in attendance! OMG! You're onto something! :wideeyed:
Jeff Orr...Super fan?
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Now that you mention it, the only other Tech fan have I've seen since that game is my co-worker who also wasn't in attendance! OMG! You're onto something! :wideeyed:
When the other guy flops, it's dishonest. When your own guy flops, it's selling the foul. And nowhere do I say I believe there is a cover up, only that it is a possibility given the huge ramifications if somebody did come forth and say there was a racial name thrown out. And what do we know about the T-tech investigation? Did they call in somebody independent to do the investigation? Who all did they interview and are they willing to release the audio and/or video tapes, or did they even take any? Sorry if I don't have the faith in some of our institutions that others may have, especially when it comes to a possible charged racial situation. Doesn't mean I think T-tech is covering up, but we really don't have much from them except that very professional and legal sounding press release. All kinds of questions that could be asked that I have a feeling never will be. And for the umpteenth time, I've never said there was a cover up, only that possibility, or the possibility that the people interviewed, whoever they are, weren't willing to tell all they heard.
No, wE cannot say for sure there was no racial slur. We can say that those that were interviewed said they did hear any racial slur - that's it. Whether those interviewees are telling the truth or not, we don't know and never will.
Ive been involved in cases like this before - you'd be surprised how many people said 'they didn't hear anything' because that answer can never get you in trouble. Do you really think other tech fans/employees are going to be the one person to refute Orr's story version against a 19 year old black player from an opposing university? No way will that happen.
now, I know you must be a Tech fan and want to defend your school. But from my experiences with Tech fans at Big 12 Men's and women's tournament games, tech fans are some of the worst I've encountered in their behavior, antics, and verbal abuse.
Hello Conspiracy Brother.
"This case of racism"? Please enlighten me, Lt. Columbo. When was the use of a racial slur proven? You said in an earlier post that noone will come forward to shed light on this racist incident, but what about the black woman who was sitting directly behind Jeff Orr Saturday night? I keep asking about her, and you and the rest of the "Grassy Knoll Commandos" keep ignoring the question.
Do you honestly think that this woman would ignore racial slurs that could be directed at her in order to support Texas Freakin' Tech basketball? This is Texas Tech, remember, not Kentucky or even Indiana. Texas Freakin' Tech, man. What are they going to pay her off with for her supporting the cover up? The only house in Lubbock with GRASS in the front yard instead of sand & old Chevrolet engine blocks?
If she backs the "narrative" that nothing racist was said, the University will give her a permanent courtside seat for Red Raider basketball. If she fights the power & exposes the conspiracy, the University is going to punish her by forcing her to use TWO courtside seats for Texas Tech basketball for the rest of her life. And they'll have a Lubbock police officer escort her to the games and make sure she stays for the whole 40 minutes.
You're willing to ignore witness statements, because people lie. You're willing to ignore video footage because we can never hear EVERYTHING on a recording. You're willing to go out on a limb and assume that because Jeff Orr is a fat Texas Tech fan who is melanin challenged, he MUST be a racist. The only one in this case you're willing to support unwaveringly is a 20 year old kid who made a dumb-*** decision to go up into the stands & confront a fan at a road venue.
Keep looking at the skies, Agent Mulder. The truth is out there.
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You summed it up perfectly...even the fat idiot part. I appreciate Orr for his unwavering support of Texas Tech but he's been called out for embarrassing behavior before and it's past time for him to learn from those mistakes. I've attended hundreds of Tech sporting events and never heard a racist slur from a fellow fan. After all, we have lots of black athletes at Tech and we have many more that we want to recruit to Texas Tech. I'll admit we can be a pugnacious fan base, and I'm not proud of that, but Tech fans are not overtly racist towards opposing teams. I guarantee you that nearby Tech fans would have jumped all over Orr had he yelled a racist slur.
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Again I have never said there is a cover up, only that the possibility exists given the huge ramifications it would have on T-tech if there was a racial slur hurled at Smart. I don't know who is or isn't telling the truth, but I am certainly open to the possibility that Smart thought he heard a racial slur given the way he jumped to his feet and raced toward Orr. I'm also open to the possibility there was no racial slur, but from the video it appears there was more said than you piece of crap. I flat out don't know and I'm guessing the report Oky State sent to the Big 12 commissioner won't answer the question either. But some on here don't consider any possibility that Smart is telling the truth, or even that he may have thought he heard a racial slur. He's been accused of playing the race card, called a liar, and even a piece of crap, which is only a slightly more acceptable way of calling him a piece of sh_t. And regarding the Self incident, I've never complained that the donor should have been penalized, but some on the board have, not only back when it happened but also recently. I was there and all I know is there was a commotion after the game around Self as he was leaving the floor after the game. I was told later that the donor followed Self off the court and was yelling at him, and they had a confrontation. The donor has remained in his courtside chair and some have criticized that. I recall the KU board being pretty upset, but not a lot made of it here, and I don't recall that there was an apology from ISU, but there may have been. You may have a better recollection of how that all went down than I do.
Well well, Mr. Sarcasm......it's obvious you need to develop some critical thinking and comprehension skills........
Read all my posts in the thread. We don't know who TTech interviewed. Maybe they interviewed everyone around Orr, maybe they didn't. I've said that the video certainly couldn't catch everything on audio. We cannot say for sure that Orr didn't use a slur. I said that the interviewees can easily say 'I didn't hear a slur' but that doesn't mean that a slur wasn't used. In situations I've been in, a lot of people will say 'I didn't hear anything' even though a slur was used. I can go into some disgusting details but I won't here.
About the black woman in back of Orr....if she was interviewed, she may not have heard anything and maybe said she did not hear anything. But that answer is a lot different than 'Orr didn't use a slur.'
And it is possible that she wouldn't say anything either. Just because she is black doesn't mean she will react to a slur directed at someone else, especially when she is surrounded by a bunch of whites.
I bet if you were a TTech fan sitting next to Orr, and he used a slur, you wouldn't have the cojones to call him out on it. And if you were interviewed, you'd say 'I didn't hear anything.'
You can join the 21st century anytime.........
If you are saying there could be a cover up in the way rainbow monkeys could come shooting out of my arse at any moment then yes there could be a cover up. The likelihood of which is so low it is usually referred to as non-existent.
The risk to TT of covering this up compared to the risk if they were to say - yep he said it and is no longer welcome at TT sporting events is so lopsided it would take an epic moron to even consider a cover up.
If you can set aside your distaste for TT for a minute and apply a bit of common sense to the situation you would come to the same conclusion.
Things that could be true (in order from most likely to least likely):
There was more than one shooter in Dallas
We did not land on the moon
OJ is innocent
Tie: Rainbow Monkeys shoot out of my backside and TTU is covering up for a racist
Well said. Nobody knows for sure what they would or wouldn't tell the university officials unless they were put in that high pressure situation with such huge stakes on the line for the university. It's a good bet a lot of questions will never get asked and we'll never know for sure if a racial slur was used or not.
Thx, CYKO. And you're absolutely right. Until you're put in a spot like that, you just don't know how you will react.
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What I am gathering from this is that it is apparently easier for some people to believe without any concrete evidence of any kind, that a University would conspire with dozens of people to cover up a racist comment by one of their fans, than believing a player who has been admittedly out of control for weeks (by the accounts of those who cover him daily, ie: Berry Tramel) and who had just committed a flagrant foul in the closing seconds of a game--sealing the win for the opponent,BTW-- could shove a fan in the stands for calling him a piece of crap.
SMH.
SMH.
Dozens of people? Where did you read that? What are their names and will there be anybody follow up to question those people? Were their statements taken under oath? Who did the investigation, the university or an independent agency? So many questions about this investigation and who do you think in Lubbock will want answers? Do you know Oky State's side of this? And you seem to be basing some of your opinion on Smart from an article from a guy who wouldn't even give him any credit for passing up millions last year to stay in school another year to play for the cowboys? I don't recall in the article where Smart admitted he had been out of control for weeks. Frustrated, yes, with the loss of teammates, his own injury, and the way the season is going. Mel Ejim had a flagrant foul, does that make him out of control too? And where has anybody, at least myself, said they believe Smart instead of the university? I've said I don't know, especially since we haven't even heard Oky State's side of this that has been sent to the Big 12 office. There's also the very real possibility that Smart thought he heard a racial slur during the melee, even if there was none, but some won't even consider that, willing to call him a liar and a piece of crap almost from the beginning, and even after his humble apology in front of the cameras. Will Orr apologize in front of the cameras? Some have judged and convicted Smart, called him names, and consider no possibility that he might have heard a racial slur or thought he heard a racial slur, so I get the picture. We're now just beating a dead horse.
So because I don't see racism everywhere, that makes me a racist?
And don't be so sure I wouldn't say anything when confronted by something wrong. I called out your misuse of the race card, didn't I?
