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Folks will look at 28 points (21 points coming in the second half) as evidence of improvement. It comes out to 1.65 points per possession, which, if that was our average on the season, would put us 93th in the country in points per possession. 17 possessions this week vs 10 last week against Iowa. We had 4.64 yards per play which is good enough to bring our average to 114th best in the country.
 

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Folks will look at 28 points (21 points coming in the second half) as evidence of improvement. It comes out to 1.65 points per possession, which, if that was our average on the season, would put us 93th in the country in points per possession. 17 possessions this week vs 10 last week against Iowa. We had 4.64 yards per play which is good enough to bring our average to 114th best in the country.

Still better than our game against them last season.
 

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It's hard to win here. It's hard to win here against the schedule we currently face. Not impossible, but a challenge. Chizik couldn't do it, McCarney would not be successful in the current Big 12, Walden, Criner, Duncan. Earle Bruce is the only coach we've had in the modern era who I think would be doing better than Paul Rhoads now.

So with that I ask you, who could we hire who would do better than Rhoads has. Remember, CPR did go to three bowl games in four years.

People don't like to hear this truth. We are the northern outpost in a southern league and sport. We have no tradition and the outsiders view is any coach hovering around .500 is a really good coach. That means 99% would bolt after 18 wins in three years. I think the realistic ceiling at ISU is 6 or 7 wins on most years with a 9 win season every several years when everything falls into place. I don't know if Rhoads can deliver that, but to state that he has been a complete failure shows complete delusion about our football realities.
 

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Watching the Bears vs. Packers game. Even though the Bears didn't make it in, that's why you atleast try to score before the half was over. What was the worst that could happen? They would have been down 42-7? At least try to win the game, that was the biggest thing that I was mad at from the game, that decision told the fans they are satified with only losing by 4 td.
 

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It's hard to win here. It's hard to win here against the schedule we currently face. Not impossible, but a challenge. Chizik couldn't do it, McCarney would not be successful in the current Big 12, Walden, Criner, Duncan. Earle Bruce is the only coach we've had in the modern era who I think would be doing better than Paul Rhoads now.

So with that I ask you, who could we hire who would do better than Rhoads has. Remember, CPR did go to three bowl games in four years.
I'll leave hiring the next guy up to the man in charge. It only takes 6 wins to get to a bowl so that's no big deal anymore, if it was that way when McCarney was here he would have went almost every year. I'm just sick of losing, it's exhausting and especially at home. I missed the KU game last season due to Thanksgiving so I havent seen a home win since Baylor in 2012!!!!!
 

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Watching the Bears vs. Packers game. Even though the Bears didn't make it in, that's why you atleast try to score before the half was over. What was the worst that could happen? They would have been down 42-7? At least try to win the game, that was the biggest thing that I was mad at from the game, that decision told the fans they are satified with only losing by 4 td.

This. ISU had a chance to get 2 scores before Baylor touched the ball again, and they decided to sit on 1 of those opportunities. It showed ISU was scared and was satisfied being down by 28.

I didnt expect a win at all, but dont throw away opportunities when you get them. ISU had nothing to lose at that point.
 

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I'll leave hiring the next guy up to the man in charge. It only takes 6 wins to get to a bowl so that's no big deal anymore, if it was that way when McCarney was here he would have went almost every year. I'm just sick of losing, it's exhausting and especially at home. I missed the KU game last season due to Thanksgiving so I havent seen a home win since Baylor in 2012!!!!!

Please find the number of seasons McCarney won 6 and didn't go to a bowl. Thanks for enlightening us.
 

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Folks will look at 28 points (21 points coming in the second half) as evidence of improvement. It comes out to 1.65 points per possession, which, if that was our average on the season, would put us 93th in the country in points per possession. 17 possessions this week vs 10 last week against Iowa. We had 4.64 yards per play which is good enough to bring our average to 114th best in the country.

This is why I can't be optimistic about the so-called "easy" games left on our schedule. We just have no offensive rhythm and just never get rolling. Toledo and KU are going to be a nail biters. Texas and TCU have the athletes on defense to stop us cold. I honestly don't see us hanging with T Tech, OSU or WV the way they can sling the ball around. Hope I am wrong.
 

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I'll leave hiring the next guy up to the man in charge. It only takes 6 wins to get to a bowl so that's no big deal anymore, if it was that way when McCarney was here he would have went almost every year. I'm just sick of losing, it's exhausting and especially at home. I missed the KU game last season due to Thanksgiving so I havent seen a home win since Baylor in 2012!!!!!

Please explain more.
 

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It's hard to win here.

Maybe that's true, but it should be well within reach to at least play fundamentally sound football. ISU isn't very close do doing that, and it has been that way under Rhoads' entire tenure. Nothing extraordinary is going to happen for ISU FB until that basic step is reached. More likely, a lot of losing and frustration are going to happen until that basic step is achieved.

Fundamentals, discipline, game sense, game poise...whatever you call it, ISU just doesn't exhibit it consistently enough right now to make any kind of progress.

That last on-side kick in the BU game was a perfect microcasm of the bigger problem. The ball has to travel 10 yards before an ISU player can be the first one to touch it. The play WILL FAIL due to penalty if an ISU player is the first to touch the ball before it travels ten yards. This is basic football. It needs to be drilled into the players' head such that it is second nature. And yet an ISU kid runs up and falls on the ball 4 yards too early. It just leaves you speechless. Not to mention being offsides, but that call looked iffy to me.

The first on-side kick wasn't much better. The kick has to stay on the field of play to avoid a penalty, and yet ISU kicks it out of bounds. A pooch kick is one of the 3 or 4 basic things that the kicking team needs to master, and yet come game time, it fails. And then there was the offsides penalty on the punt where ISU is setting up a return. And then there was another 3rd/4th and 1 where ISU can't get one yard on two plays. And then there was the poor tackling.

It just goes on and on, game after game. If the players are consistently and continuously making these kind of fundamental mistakes year after year, then there is something wrong with the training and preparation.
 
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I'll leave hiring the next guy up to the man in charge. It only takes 6 wins to get to a bowl so that's no big deal anymore, if it was that way when McCarney was here he would have went almost every year. I'm just sick of losing, it's exhausting and especially at home. I missed the KU game last season due to Thanksgiving so I havent seen a home win since Baylor in 2012!!!!!
I like Dan, but let's not act like we got left out of bowls multiple times when we went 6-6. Every year Iowa State didn't go to a bowl game, they won a MAX of four games
 

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I'll leave hiring the next guy up to the man in charge. It only takes 6 wins to get to a bowl so that's no big deal anymore, if it was that way when McCarney was here he would have went almost every year. I'm just sick of losing, it's exhausting and especially at home. I missed the KU game last season due to Thanksgiving so I havent seen a home win since Baylor in 2012!!!!!


What the **** are you smoking? McCarney went to bowl games every single year he won 6 games. No different than Rhoads. Walden won 6 games in 1989 and didn't go to a bowl game, but find me a season when McCarney did that? Never.

It boggles my mind at how idiotic people like you are.
 

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Maybe that's true, but it should be well within reach to at least play fundamentally sound football. ISU isn't very close do doing that, and it has been that way under Rhoads' entire tenure. Nothing extraordinary is going to happen for ISU FB until that basic step is reached. More likely, a lot of losing and frustration is going to happen until that basic step is achieved.

Fundamentals, discipline, game sense, game poise...whatever you call it, ISU just doesn't exhibit it consistently enough right now to make any kind of progress.

That last on-side kick in the BU game was a perfect microcasm of the bigger problem. The ball has to travel 10 yards before an ISU player can be the first one to touch it. The play WILL FAIL due to penalty if an ISU player is the first to touch the ball before it travels ten yards. This is basic football. It needs to be drilled into the players' head such that it is second nature. And yet an ISU kid runs up and falls on the ball 4 yards too early. It just leaves you speechless. Not to mention being offsides, but that call looked iffy to me.

The first on-side kick wasn't much better. The kick has to stay on the field of play to avoid a penalty, and yet ISU kicks it out of bounds. A pooch kick is one of the 3 or 4 basic things that the kicking team needs to master, and yet come game time, it fails. And then there was the offsides penalty on the punt where ISU is setting up a return. And then there was another 3rd/4th and 1 where ISU can't get one yard on two plays. And then there was the poor tackling.

It just goes on and on, game after game. If the players are consistently and continuously making these kind of fundamental mistakes year after year, then there is something wrong with the training and preparation.

Can't argue with much of that. Good post.
 

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This is why I can't be optimistic about the so-called "easy" games left on our schedule. We just have no offensive rhythm and just never get rolling. Toledo and KU are going to be a nail biters. Texas and TCU have the athletes on defense to stop us cold. I honestly don't see us hanging with T Tech, OSU or WV the way they can sling the ball around. Hope I am wrong.

Say what you want about ISU football, but we are miles ahead of the garbage fire in KU right now.
 

norcalcy

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Maybe that's true, but it should be well within reach to at least play fundamentally sound football. ISU isn't very close do doing that, and it has been that way under Rhoads' entire tenure. Nothing extraordinary is going to happen for ISU FB until that basic step is reached. More likely, a lot of losing and frustration are going to happen until that basic step is achieved.

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Fundamentals, discipline, game sense, game poise...whatever you call it, ISU just doesn't exhibit it consistently enough right now to make any kind of progress.

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It just goes on and on, game after game. If the players are consistently and continuously making these kind of fundamental mistakes year after year, then there is something wrong with the training and preparation.

Amen. Amen. Amen. It was so apparent in the first few minutes that the team was flat and there was no sense of urgency on the first couple of series. Coming off the bye week no less! Passion is fine, but I'll take the dispassionate Coach who has his guys ready to go any day.
 

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Amen. Amen. Amen. It was so apparent in the first few minutes that the team was flat and there was no sense of urgency on the first couple of series. Coming off the bye week no less! Passion is fine, but I'll take the dispassionate Coach who has his guys ready to go any day.

We played the number one offense in the nation.
 

norcalcy

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Say what you want about ISU football, but we are miles ahead of the garbage fire in KU right now.

Maybe a mile or a mile and a half... but not miles. Charlie Weis 2012-2014 following Turner Gill debacle: 6-22. Paul Rhoads 2012-2014 following three years of his own program development: 10-19.
 

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We played the number one offense in the nation.

It was not the fact we lost, or even the fact the point differential was 21. It is the fact we are at a disadvantage most every week due to not making fundamental football plays that even overmatched teams can make. When you get curb-stomped by FCS teams two years in a row, you have some major issues in your football fundamentals (development, scheme, player knowledge, etc). Minus a few outlier games, we know roughly how "well" ISU will play under CPR. The questions are reduced to will the opposition out-stumble us and will we have superior effort. Iowa did. KU will, and we probably out-effort them too, hence comfortable wins. If it is cold, WVU may be close due to WVU not wanting to be there.
 
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What the **** are you smoking? McCarney went to bowl games every single year he won 6 games. No different than Rhoads. Walden won 6 games in 1989 and didn't go to a bowl game, but find me a season when McCarney did that? Never.

It boggles my mind at how idiotic people like you are.
Idiotic lol. well cool he also won more games while he was here.
 

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