ISU vs Iowa POST Nationals Thread

[Madclone1]

Madclone maybe before you speak you should see how much Gable does for wrestling outside of Iowa City.
Also what do you guys want Iowa to do quit trying? drop there program so others can win? maybe put more 2nd string guys out against you to even the odds? Yeah we will start sending jv to wrestle you if that makes you happy. How can you blame iowa for being good.

There isn't a solution now . . I predict the Big ten eleven will be the last place where wrestlers can go to "rastle." The Big Texas Twelve is a dying regarding wrestling . . that is why Cael left for more money and a conference which emphasizes the sport.

Gable et al should have been thinking through strategies of how to improve the sport years ago . . but he was too busy promoting the hawks and his own legacy . . he could have been a statesman for the sport. He failed.

 

[rhillary]

In that case, what are your revised odds? I'd say 70% Iowa, 30% ISU.

I edited the post to be 60 40 just so it added up to 100 and I didn't look like an idiot!

But yeah, something like that. Basically I think it is Iowa's to lose but if Long can bring it or Z go all the way we can steal it. It is going to be pretty close. And I don't think there will be any even close to ISU or Iowa...

 

[Madclone1]

Madclone maybe before you speak you should see how much Gable does for wrestling outside of Iowa City.
Also what do you guys want Iowa to do quit trying? drop there program so others can win? maybe put more 2nd string guys out against you to even the odds? Yeah we will start sending jv to wrestle you if that makes you happy. How can you blame iowa for being good.

To answer your question . . what should be done by ISU. Get used to finishing behind Iowa every year . .now that is a worthy goal. Maybe, once every ten years upset Iowa. Since you are a hawkster . . wouldn't it be better if ISU and Iowa competed more closely and ISU actually won some of these meets? The fan base for both schools would be going crazy. And ask yourself, how big of a deal is it now to win the NC every year? You might like that but it will destroy the sport eventually.

 

[rhillary]

There isn't a solution now . . I predict the Big ten eleven will be the last place where wrestlers can go to "rastle." The Big Texas Twelve is a dying regarding wrestling . . that is why Cael left for more money and a conference which emphasizes the sport.

Gable et al should have been thinking through strategies of how to improve the sport years ago . . but he was too busy promoting the hawks and his own legacy . . he could have been a statesman for the sport. He failed.

I couldn't agree more. He should put his Iowa hat away and just promote the sport. Be an all-around-ambassador but nope, he'd rather slobber all over the Brandes.

I just don't get his distaste for ISU when he wrestled for us. I get he didn't like Cael (I wouldn't like the guy that took my "best college wrestler ever" crown either) but I thought he might "bury the hatchet" when Cael ditched us but nope, still worshiping at the alter of sportmanship....:skeptical:

 

[cyclone1306]

So you don't think Iowa being dominant is BAD for the sport? Are you serious? I didn't say Gable did nothing for the sport . . he did when he was at ISU and early on at Iowa. What I did say IS, he is not my ambassador for the sport. He is tainted goods. He is a hawk ONLY guy. Now, if you can not comprehend that then there is nothing more that needs to be said.

I have never been to Watertown to see the museum . . . so, there is your answer. Now you answer my comments above.

First off I didnt say that Iowa being dominant was good or bad.. you are putting words in your mouth. I can tell no matter what facts i throw out there you wont be open minded enough to see our points. He promotes wrestling in high schools in places in the country that have little to no wrestling. It campaigns to save wrestling at colleges.
Like I said,.... hate the hawks. But I am not blind to the facts either.

 

[unoimahawk]

So your trying to blame one man for wrestling not being popular? Yeah lets put it all on the shoulders of one man lol. If Iowa is ruining the sport why is it attendance records are being set every other year, and nationals are being sold out?explain that one for me please. Why blame Gable? Why don't we blame Bobby Douglas, for not stealing some of Gables recruits he had as much right to get them as Gable did. So why dont we blame him and all the other D1 coachs in the nation? It's called being good. Also you still haven't answered my question do you want us to send 2nd string next time to make it easy so we can lose or what do you want the iowa program to do? Quit?

 

[unoimahawk]

I would love if you beat us sometimes, it is fun as hell to watch these two teams fight not knowing what is going to happen and like I said I am not positive you guys won't beat us at nationals. You guys make it sound like Iowa is unstoppable, I got more confidence in your own team.

 

[CycoCyclone]

I liked how our team performed this weekend, 2nd is nothing to sneeze at. Look at what UI did to Uof MN

 

[Madclone1]

So your trying to blame one man for wrestling not being popular? Yeah lets put it all on the shoulders of one man lol. If Iowa is ruining the sport why is it attendance records are being set every other year, and nationals are being sold out?explain that one for me please. Why blame Gable? Why don't we blame Bobby Douglas, for not stealing some of Gables recruits he had as much right to get them as Gable did. So why dont we blame him and all the other D1 coachs in the nation? It's called being good. Also you still haven't answered my question do you want us to send 2nd string next time to make it easy so we can lose or what do you want the iowa program to do? Quit?

You know . . this will be my last post on this. Do I want you guys to send in your second string? Wow. What a comment of disrespect. Now to answer AGAIN your question, there is NO solution. Unlike, football/basketball there are finite numbers of great wrestlers in the country . . Iowa will always get first pick . . everybody else will dibby up the rest.

That being said, I see a trend of poor sportsmanship developing primarily from Iowa City. Any provocative disrespectful actions by Iowa in particular should be scrutinized. The bad blood between schools and athletes is starting to catch traction . . and the sport needs to be cleaned up. Gable bears some blame for the latter in particular . . he could never see past his hawkdom. He should have been active I suppose in the Ultimate fighting scene with his intensity and attitude. Brands is Gable on steroids . . so to speak. Out of control and out of friends in the wrestling community. Unless you are a hawkster.

 

[Dryburn]

It cracks me up that Iowa fans come on here and defend Metcalf's actions the way they do.

Iowa is no longer as dominating as they may have been in the past. They did not dominate today....a couple of very close matches went their way instead of ISU's. Even their star Metcalf was not dominating.

The thing about the Iowa wrestlers, and their coaches, and even their fans.......try and act a little like you have been there before.

Apparently it is okay with Iowa fans that Metcalf displayed an obscene gesture at the end of his close match. I'm sure there are some parents who were in attendance that had to explain that to their kids. But, the kid is a competitor, and he wins so that is okay. Kind of like what he did last year in the championship, pushing the kid that had beaten him.......and then acting like it was okay for him to get pushed because the kid turned a flip at the end of the match. So stupid, unsportsmanlike, and childish but typical nonsense from Iowa fans. Keddy did not shake hands with Ward at the end of their match. Such mature athletes they have over in Iowa City, huh?

Although, really, it is what we should expect from the Iowa wrestlers. Look at their coach. How can you expect the wrestlers to show any class or sportsmanship when their leader doesn't?

I hope ISU can win the nationals this year, but even if they can't I really hope any team but Iowa can win.

Also, I do not care at all for what Varner did at the end of his match. That was also unsportsmanlike conduct, and I hope KJ makes him apologize or do some laps or something. That is no way for a veteran wrestler and national champion to behave.

Oh, and unoimahawk.......it is so obvious that with all of your 4 posts, you came to this site just to try and stir something up or flame the threads. It is pretty clear you did not attend the U of I. At least I hope not. If you did, take a remedial grammar class and learn the difference between your and you're, and there, their and they're. It will make your posts less laughable.

 

[unoimahawk]

Dryburn I said what Metcalf did was classless how is that defending him? I said I hope you would beat us sometimes to make it more intresting. Metcalf is the only one that has shown disrespect more then once and I said I disagree with it. How is Brands disrespectful? This is an honest question, he does what any good coach would do, he defends his wrestlers. Other coaches argue calls as well. I mean no disrespect to the ISU wrestling program getting on here I just heard stuff was mentioned about Metcalfs actions and got on to check it out and then saw people saying Iowa is bad for wrestling and felt the need to defend us.

 

[hawkeyescott]

So you don't think Iowa being dominant is BAD for the sport? Are you serious? I didn't say Gable did nothing for the sport . . he did when he was at ISU and early on at Iowa. What I did say IS, he is not my ambassador for the sport. He is tainted goods. He is a hawk ONLY guy. Now, if you can not comprehend that then there is nothing more that needs to be said.

I have never been to Watertown to see the museum . . . so, there is your answer. Now you answer my comments above.

So you think school's are cutting wrestling because they can't beat Iowa? Or could it be for financial reasons?

Iowa has won 22 of the last 35 national titles and every year over 100,000 people will go to the national tournament over 3 days. So Iowa being dominate isn't stopping people from attending the tournament.

 

[hawkeyescott]

There isn't a solution now . . I predict the Big ten eleven will be the last place where wrestlers can go to "rastle." The Big Texas Twelve is a dying regarding wrestling . . that is why Cael left for more money and a conference which emphasizes the sport.

Gable et al should have been thinking through strategies of how to improve the sport years ago . . but he was too busy promoting the hawks and his own legacy . . he could have been a statesman for the sport. He failed.

The Big 12 is dying? They only had 5 schools with wrestling when the conference was formed and they still have 5.

 

[cmhawks99]

+1 to Cydeout - great recap (didn't quote it to save space)

The only thing that really irritates me is that Iowa fans don't see an issue with the way the hawkeyes "celebrate" or whatever they do. Even last year when Metcalf shoves that dude for pulling the upset (yes, I know he was celebrating, but still, be better than that), they were DEFENDING it.

I think this ISU team is going to get a record 4th straight Big 12 championship and really compete come tourney time.

Man, it would be just glorious if ISU managed to win the big one.

Hold on here,

Or rather just wake up. This is what irritates me about fans (ours, yours, everyone's) . They seriously can't see their way out of their own self absorption. They don't see it or care because they are Iowa fans. Man alive I spent about 8 months on here reading about what a great character The Chiz was and then...................

After that I read about Cael Sanderson and then.................

I wasn't here when ISU had their "character" issues with the football team but I can only imagine the rationalizing. I mean seriously even in this thread Varner's action were inexcusable but................Hey either they are or they aren't. Yet let one of your guys jilt you and they are the Anti-Christ.

Get over it. Seriously do you guys watch sports. This crap happens at ISU and everywhere. If you really care quit watching. And finally the old tried and true everyone hates Iowa. Honestly I don't even watch much wrestling anymore but I can't tell someone that I am from Iowa without them gushing about the Iowa wrestling program. Get a grip and quit making things up. I mean it is wrestling, one of the most egomaniacal, machismo sports in history. And as bad as Metcalf was last year Caldwell was over the top. Let it go man.

We get it, you hate Iowa. By the way I'm not condoning it and honestly I don't watch it enuff to care. I'm also not defending Iowa fans as 85% of our fan bases are mostly identical IMO.

Chad

 

[cmhawks99]

The Big 12 is dying? They only had 5 schools with wrestling when the conference was formed and they still have 5.

Don't bother most people aren't interested in reality only their own agenda.

Chad

 

[Cycsk]

On Sound Off, they just showed the end of the Metcalf match, including the post-match gesture. It was the first time that I had seen it. It appeared that he did it while walking back to his bench area and going by Brands. I expected that he would have been looking at his ISU competitor or the ISU bench, but he didn't seem to be. It all seems pretty stupid and unnecessary for someone who would probably like to be remembered for his wrestling wins.

 

[cycloneML]

I'm happy to see ISU ratchet up the *** hole meter. Its a by product of finally being able to compete with Iowa.

 

[CYVADER]

basically what we have in this thread is a 50-50 split of people that watch wrestling 1-2 times a year(national duals and the iowa dual), and people that follow it throughout the year. i'm not sure how to put this cause i don't want to turn off the fringe fan, but some of you need to lighten up.

as far as gable, i hate listening to him during this matchup, but to say he isn't a great ambassador to the sport is ridiculous, and frankly, i won't waste my time arguing about it with someone because it is nonsense.

 

[znewb]

So let me make sure I'm understanding the consensus here:

Iowa is ruining the sport and is going to take it into oblivion because nobody can beat them so to save the sport they should start throwing duals and tournaments to save wrestling.

I'm not so sure the Yankee's have ruined baseball.
I'm not so sure the Lakers are ruining the NBA.

I'm just having a really tough time understanding your logic here but let me give it a shot.......since ISU can't beat Iowa you want them to let ISU win and that will save wrestling?

 

[CycoCyclone]

I think most posters don't want the gestures, screaming, jumping up and down like an idiot and interrupting the actual whistle to whistle action that EIU brings to the mat. The wrestlers are truly excellent.