The numbers don't lie. Yes it is that much better. Now they just need to develop those players. CMC's biggest challenge will be keeping his staff together when they start becoming successful.
Is recruiting that much better?
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This season needs to get here. Fast.
Waiting to see what a coach does with the talent he has is most important...take out the first 2, and last game last season, and generally I thought things looked much better fundamentally than CPR's teams which was encouraging. The best athletes on the field were consistently utilized for their strengths...that's a good start.
Repeating but I'm excited for ISU's potential for the first time since just before Texas Tech 2012 and I'm not sure why something that hasn't even happened yet is being compared to a coaching regime that was generally bad beyond the recruiting.
Waiting to see what a coach does with the talent he has is most important...take out the first 2, and last game last season, and generally I thought things looked much better fundamentally than CPR's teams which was encouraging. The best athletes on the field were consistently utilized for their strengths...that's a good start.
Repeating but I'm excited for ISU's potential for the first time since just before Texas Tech 2012 and I'm not sure why something that hasn't even happened yet is being compared to a coaching regime that was generally bad beyond the recruiting.
Their class is off the charts for KU standards maybe.
I'd be surprised if the top guys stay committed to them throughout the CFB season (once KU's season starts to plummet and their top commits visit the big time programs).
Tony Hull is their LA connection and they apparently have a Landry-Walker pipeline going.
Impressive to get them committed but I don't see it sticking
I was going to get excited about perceived improvement in the recruiting however I came to my senses after going back over the last five years. Looking back over the past 5 years (13-17) classes based on 247 5 stars, 4 stars and 3 stars the breakdown is:
Alabama 5* 27 4* 73
LSU 5* 9 4* 72
Ohio State 5* 9 4* 79
Fl State 5* 13 4* 57
Oklahoma 5* 2 4* 52
Texas 5* 2 4* 52
West Virg 5* 0 4* 9
Iowa 5* 1 4* 2
Iowa State 5* 0 4* 2
In addition the average ranking of the players has not changed greatly. I have resigned myself to another "Iowa State" season unless the staff can create football players.
Alabama 5* 27 4* 73
LSU 5* 9 4* 72
Ohio State 5* 9 4* 79
Fl State 5* 13 4* 57
Oklahoma 5* 2 4* 52
Texas 5* 2 4* 52
West Virg 5* 0 4* 9
Iowa 5* 1 4* 2
Iowa State 5* 0 4* 2
In addition the average ranking of the players has not changed greatly. I have resigned myself to another "Iowa State" season unless the staff can create football players.
Since our LBs got brought up, I'll make a prediction. I think Jake Hummel will be good enough to play (a lot) this fall. He is going to be a really good player for us the next 4 years.
The average ranking has been a bit better, and comparing offers for each player is night and day different.
I'm guessing he is selling playing time and start a new culture mantra. I hope he fails we need to keep KU downtrodden in FB.
Last seasons cycle for you all was marginally better than your historic average. You landed a few more red chips (P5 measurables ) than white chips (Non Big 12 talent) than you traditionally do
Recruiting for the 6-10th team in this league will always be more about player development because those classes aren't all that different. You can recruit marginally better and still be behind the eight ball simply cause of the existence of TCU,BU,Tech no matter how bad they may be simply because of talent proximity
Edit: I will say your staff has a good eye for offensive skill position talent, thats something your last staff lacked
Recruiting for the 6-10th team in this league will always be more about player development because those classes aren't all that different. You can recruit marginally better and still be behind the eight ball simply cause of the existence of TCU,BU,Tech no matter how bad they may be simply because of talent proximity
Edit: I will say your staff has a good eye for offensive skill position talent, thats something your last staff lacked
Going by 247 national rankings it is
Campbell
2017 - 53
2016 - 55
Rhoads
2015 - 64
2014 - 59
2013 - 63
It isn't a huge difference when looking at that, but it seems like we're getting more guys that have offers from good programs.
Chase Allen: Michigan, Nebraska, Florida State
JaQuan Bailey: Tennessee, Virginia Tech, Florida, Louisville, Miami
Deshaunte Jones: West Virginia, Wisconsin, Louisville
Josh Johnson: Notre Dame, Oklahoma State
Ray Lima: Oregon, Colorado, TCU
There are others, but I don't remember as many Rhoads recruits with these types of offers lists.
Campbell
2017 - 53
2016 - 55
Rhoads
2015 - 64
2014 - 59
2013 - 63
It isn't a huge difference when looking at that, but it seems like we're getting more guys that have offers from good programs.
Chase Allen: Michigan, Nebraska, Florida State
JaQuan Bailey: Tennessee, Virginia Tech, Florida, Louisville, Miami
Deshaunte Jones: West Virginia, Wisconsin, Louisville
Josh Johnson: Notre Dame, Oklahoma State
Ray Lima: Oregon, Colorado, TCU
There are others, but I don't remember as many Rhoads recruits with these types of offers lists.
Previous staffs seemed to have trouble recruiting and developing offensive and defensive linemen hence our struggles with NOrth Dakota and UNI. Time will be the true test but it seems we are developing a nice stable of talented linemen which will lead to success and attract more talent.
The difference is obviously better.
Yes, we're obviously not going to be loading up on 5 stars, or even 4 stars when we've got the current program history, and before Campbell produces the results.
But the difference that seps to be apparent is in what we're rounding out our classes with.
And sure, you can say 'oh, just a few more 2-3 stars', but when we get to the point where we're digging into our depth as the game\season goes on, we'll be glad that the guy filling in is likely a bit better.
Also, its worth noting, it doesnt take that much of a difference to see major changes in results. How many seasons, even under Rhoads, can you go 'we were really only 3-4 plays away from making a bowl game'. With that extra depth, that may make up the difference.
Yes, we're obviously not going to be loading up on 5 stars, or even 4 stars when we've got the current program history, and before Campbell produces the results.
But the difference that seps to be apparent is in what we're rounding out our classes with.
And sure, you can say 'oh, just a few more 2-3 stars', but when we get to the point where we're digging into our depth as the game\season goes on, we'll be glad that the guy filling in is likely a bit better.
Also, its worth noting, it doesnt take that much of a difference to see major changes in results. How many seasons, even under Rhoads, can you go 'we were really only 3-4 plays away from making a bowl game'. With that extra depth, that may make up the difference.
demoncore1031
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Look at how many Campbell recruits have already contributed! Jones was a stud last year. Bailey was really good. Nwangwu and Montgomery each contributed a lot. Park was great and has potential to maybe be the best QB in school history. It's not just about finding the recruits, it's about finding guys who fit into the system AND look at how many kids they are finding who seem to fall through the cracks. Park, for example. I never even knew he left Georgia.
This year we will see a lot of the redshirt freshmen and see how they have progressed, as well as the freshmen who did play last year. So far I love the kids they are getting and I think they have done a great job getting the best out of those young men. I'm really looking forward to seeing what they do with Matt Leo. A kid with that size and athleticism potentially has an NFL type of cei
This year we will see a lot of the redshirt freshmen and see how they have progressed, as well as the freshmen who did play last year. So far I love the kids they are getting and I think they have done a great job getting the best out of those young men. I'm really looking forward to seeing what they do with Matt Leo. A kid with that size and athleticism potentially has an NFL type of cei
That list can expand with some others Campbell and staff have brought in also.
The number of recruits that never played a single down at ISU under Rhoads was a complete backbreaker. So many misses.
U R soooo right re: extended success on the field.....Its the olde proverbial chicken and the egg thing, 4 or 5 stars are not coming to ISU if they can go to a top 20/25 team.....ie an already established winner who is going bowling every year.
The old BS of "help us build a winner" no longer works, if it ever did, these kids want to play on a winner ie like KState or TCU or whichever big 12 actually ten teams who are ahead of us in the standings.....
Its a long long road to Winnerville guys and gals...Ive been looking at this conundrum since 1962 and it just never seems to get better in recruiting...or retention for that matter.
Go Cyclones beat the pantherettes for a change will ya
I really hate to write this but....It was worse under jimmie dean walden ....Zero wins and One Tie for the 1994 season....
That was rock bottom as it gets....
Go Cyclones Beat the Panthers
Sorry, I think you a looking at this way wrong.... Big 12 recruiting has been way down, with the relevance of Texas falling off and the two OK schools hitting a plateau and dropping back a bit, Baylor was on a climb a few years back but the black eye that they have going has hurt them as well. I think this current recruiting class, with the young bloods leading a lot of the recruiting game, the Big 12 is getting back to relevance in recruiting. With that in mind I would rather see the overall ranking higher it just means more as the conference standards is starting to improve as well, also as long as there is not a noticeable gap in conference recruiting, which right now there deceivingly is with the KU and above top 35 national(Texas, OU, OSU, Baylor, TCU and KU) seem to be separating from the rest. But our class is going to small and I feel like the remainder will be pretty picking on committals....
I would say having recrituing classes that are even remotely comparable to KSU, WV and TT is a giant leap forward. Too early to say on the new guys, but a lot of guys PR was bringing in had very few offers and way too many never saw the field or even made it to campus. I mean there was a point after Jake, AJ, and Jeremiah George left that we could barely field a group of linebackers because the recruiting was so bad.
It's important to note that CMC's first two classes have been solid 3 star players from top to bottom. He hasn't had a 4 or 5 star kid that has helped pull the number up or offset all of the two star kids. Think what the class rankings would have looked like without Lazard or Campos!
CMC is signing kids that other P5 schools want and he's not settling for a bunch of Texas leftovers. He's recruiting good size on the o-line and not 3-4 year undersized developmental projects. The upgrade in team speed is also night and day. If you can't see the difference in recruiting/talent then you're not trying very hard.
CMC is signing kids that other P5 schools want and he's not settling for a bunch of Texas leftovers. He's recruiting good size on the o-line and not 3-4 year undersized developmental projects. The upgrade in team speed is also night and day. If you can't see the difference in recruiting/talent then you're not trying very hard.
This! Who cares if we have the #8 class in the conference. What's important IMO is that the talent gap is much smaller and outside of the top couple of teams in the conference we should have a shot against anybody. It's not going to take the stars aligning for us to give most of the Big 12 teams a dog fight.
