Is it time to move on from Manning??

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cyclonehomer

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To date most of the yardage Breece has gotten is on hand offs so maybe that is why we do it. Yesterday they were keying on him and we should have gone to the passes to him sooner but again after a game is done it is so easy to second guess calls. I can be the BEST play caller ever after I have watched a game and seen what happened and pointed out those plays that did not work. I am disappointed in our record to date as I felt with all the returning people we could make another run at the championship. We have had a number of minor injuries which have hurt us but my hope is we finish with two more wins and get a good bowl game.
I'll clarify, I am in no way suggesting to stop giving the ball to Breece. More that it feels like 80%+ of the time it's a handoff to Breece and I'd like that balance to move a bit more towards throwing more, especially using play action. I thought our best sequence yesterday on offense came with a couple first down play action passes in a row, both going for chunk gains.
 
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Looming larg after another after thought of a 1st half..

If you wanna play this game, why not go after Heacock? His defense gave up 325 yards and 31 points in the first half and got torched against WV as well.

I don't disagree that our offense at times lacks creativity, but that's probably as much a product of Campbell as anybody. But with that being said, the biggest issue I can see with us is an inability find and win matchups downfield. Whether that's a product of inferior route trees, a lack of dominating receivers who can get 50/50 balls, or a QB who can throw them, I don't know. But I do know Purdy hasn't dropped dimes like Smith, Doege, or anyone else who's torched us.
 

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I really think the mods need to change the title of this thread to is it time to move on from Campbell

because, unless Tom Manning gets hired for a head coaching position, that will be how you move on from him.
 
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If you wanna play this game, why not go after Heacock? His defense gave up 325 yards and 31 points in the first half and got torched against WV as well.

I don't disagree that our offense at times lacks creativity, but that's probably as much a product of Campbell as anybody. But with that being said, the biggest issue I can see with us is an inability find and win matchups downfield. Whether that's a product of inferior route trees, a lack of dominating receivers who can get 50/50 balls, or a QB who can throw them, I don't know. But I do know Purdy hasn't dropped dimes like Smith, Doege, or anyone else who's torched us.

they didn’t even really want to score at the end of the first half. We allowed that
 

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When opposing team sells out against the run and then you keep running into the wall that’s keying in the RB, that is a coordinator problem. When you don’t make the opposing team pay for selling out on the run, that’s a coordinator problem. If the head coach can’t see that, then that’s a head coach problem since the head coach “should” trump the coordinator.
 

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When opposing team sells out against the run and then you keep running into the wall that’s keying in the RB, that is a coordinator problem. When you don’t make the opposing team pay for selling out on the run, that’s a coordinator problem. If the head coach can’t see that, then that’s a head coach problem since the head coach “should” trump the coordinator.

It’s still pissing me off that we didn’t run the toss play to Breece. The Oline can’t block so let the receivers and TE’s try.
 

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It’s still pissing me off that we didn’t run the toss play to Breece. The Oline can’t block so let the receivers and TE’s try.

That's too simple and allows the playmakers to make a play.

Same with a short route to Noel.

He can get up field.
 
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That's too simple and allows the playmakers to make a play.

Same with a short route to Noel.

He can get up field.
Really want to see more Noel, and don't get why we can't use quick hitters to the edges to him and X as an extension of the running game when the o-line isn't getting much push.
 
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I'll clarify, I am in no way suggesting to stop giving the ball to Breece. More that it feels like 80%+ of the time it's a handoff to Breece and I'd like that balance to move a bit more towards throwing more, especially using play action. I thought our best sequence yesterday on offense came with a couple first down play action passes in a row, both going for chunk gains.
When opposing team sells out against the run and then you keep running into the wall that’s keying in the RB, that is a coordinator problem. When you don’t make the opposing team pay for selling out on the run, that’s a coordinator problem. If the head coach can’t see that, then that’s a head coach problem since the head coach “should” trump the coordinator.
We are too predictable, especially playing teams we are favored to win against. Three examples: Note the 1st two offensive series for ISU against Baylor, WV, and TT. Almost always it is a handoff to Breece off R or L guard or tackle (up the middle).
Iowa State Cyclones vs. Baylor Bears Play-by-Play - September 25, 2021 Gametracker - CBSSports.com
Iowa State Cyclones vs. West Virginia Mountaineers Play-by-Play - October 30, 2021 Gametracker - CBSSports.com
Iowa State Cyclones vs. Texas Tech Red Raiders Play-by-Play - November 13, 2021 Gametracker - CBSSports.com
Then we usually have tried to play that way, stubbornly, conservatively, thru the fist half even as we fall behind. It takes half time adjustments to open up. By then we are playing from behind.

Contrast this with bigger games where the opponent might be more challenging or we are not favored. First offensive play against UO in Fiesta Bowl, quick bubble screen or out pass to R, then unpredictable thereafter. The Defense never really knew what we were doing. I can imagine OklaState and Texas this year were similar. Iowa this year, predictable, played to the Defense strength.


I really think the mods need to change the title of this thread to is it time to move on from Campbell because, unless Tom Manning gets hired for a head coaching position, that will be how you move on from him.
I was just hoping Manning would learn more by now. We have the potential to lose if we don't come to play, play with unpredictability. Every game. Follow a path of less resistance, force the Defense to react to us not the other way around. He'll have one or two great games, then will revert back to vanilla. That generally won't work for us.

It should be clear now that with potentially our best team ever we still should play with pants on fire, take more risks, force our opponent to cover the whole field, etc. We don't, we lose.
 
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It’s still pissing me off that we didn’t run the toss play to Breece. The Oline can’t block so let the receivers and TE’s try.
Would like to see more of this too. In a way that's why he's so awesome on screens, out in space.

Jaylin Noel, Charlie, Hutch and others played well on offense. I do wish I saw a bit more fire from brock in the first half yesterday... he threw two picks but i won't say he's the reason we lost b/c he threw 3 td's as well.

Our defense got owned in the first half and that's confusing. This wasn't the michael crabtree red raiders.
 

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This is all purely off what I can remember, so forgive me if some of this is slightly off. At some point I would like to get back and rewatch the games, but have not been able to yet.

UNI: Managed to score a whopping 16 points and 1 touchdown against a (currently) 5-5 FCS team. This should speak for itself, but in case it doesn't, the extremely vanilla play calling required our defense to essentially bail us out.

Iowa: Complete breakdown on the offensive side of the ball. Didn't make any adjustments until the final drive of the second quarter and then completely abandoned what worked on the drive for the rest of the game. Did not allow Purdy to run the ball and continually put him in horrible sports, which led to three picks. Refused to throw the ball down the field whatsoever and got outcoached. 3/12 on third down.

UNLV: Legitimately one of the worst teams in all of college football so this shouldn't hardly count.

Baylor: Complete lack of adjustments until it was too late, not to mention a horrid call on the 2-point conversion to lose us the game. Did not push the ball down the field until we found ourselves behind. For some reason can't remember much about this game but I remember being livid at Manning for costing us a chance to win. Feel free to add what I'm forgetting.

Kansas: See UNLV.

K-State: Actually thought this was a pretty solid performance as far as Manning goes.

OSU: Wasn't able to watch this game so I'm not able to add much. Thought we may have turned a corner after two solid performances by Manning, but this wasn't the case.

West Virginia: Mediocre job by Manning. Not his best, nor worst performance. Defense and horrid officiating lost us this game.

Texas: Absolute failure in the first half, manning a whole 3 points against one of the worst defenses in the conference. Did not push the ball down the field at all. Exploded in the second half but relied on a trick play to score our only passing TD.

Texas Tech: Lost us the game. Don't care that we scored 38, it took far too long to figure out another terrible defense. This put our defense in a bad spot the entire game. Incredibly predicable play calling until it was too late. Texas, who we held to 7 points put up 70 on this team. We were unable to get the run game going, and refused to adjust when Tech stacked the box.

Oklahoma: Against one of the worst defenses in the conference, our longest offensive play was a fake punt. That speaks for itself. Kansas put up 23 on this team, meanwhile we can't put up more than 21. through 3 quarters and 10 minutes of football. We proceed to run flat out stupid trick plays, including one that directly resulted in an OU defensive touchdown (that was the difference making TD in the game). Finally gain some momentum with Dekkers, and we put Purdy back in which results in a three and out. Consistent routes less than what is needed for the first on 3rd down. 96 yards passing, 1/10 on third down. Could not make a simple adjustment like changing the snap count to give Purdy a chance to throw the ball.

TCU: Remains to be seen, but I don't have high expectations.


He can't keep his job after this right?
 

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He's not going to be fired today or tomorrow or next week. So maybe just put a pin in this until December.
 

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This is all purely off what I can remember, so forgive me if some of this is slightly off. At some point I would like to get back and rewatch the games, but have to been able to yet.

UNI: Managed to score a whopping 16 points and 1 touchdown against a (currently) 5-5 FCS team. This should speak for itself, but in case it doesn't, the extremely vanilla play calling required our defense to essentially bail us out.

Iowa: Complete breakdown on the offensive side of the ball. Didn't make any adjustments until the final drive of the second quarter and then completely abandoned what worked on the drive for the rest of the game. Did not allow Purdy to run the ball and continually put him in horrible sports, which led to three picks. Refused to throw the ball down the field whatsoever and got outcoached. 3/12 on third down.

UNLV: Legitimately one of the worst teams in all of college football so this shouldn't hardly count.

Baylor: Complete lack of adjustments until it was too late, not to mention a horrid call on the 2-point conversion to lose us the game. Did not push the ball down the field until we found ourselves behind. For some reason can't remember much about this game but I remember being livid at Manning for costing us a chance to win. Feel free to add what I'm forgetting.

Kansas: See UNLV.

K-State: Actually thought this was a pretty solid performance as far as Manning goes.

OSU: Wasn't able to watch this game so I'm not able to add much. Thought we may have turned a corner after two solid performances by Manning, but this wasn't the case.

West Virginia: Mediocre job by Manning. Not his best, nor worst performance. Defense and horrid officiating lost us this game.

Texas: Absolute failure in the first half, manning a whole 3 points against one of the worst defenses in the conference. Did not push the ball down the field at all. Exploded in the second half but relied on a trick play to score our only passing TD.

Texas Tech: Lost us the game. Don't care that we scored 38, it took far too long to figure out another terrible defense. This put our defense in a bad spot the entire game. Incredibly predicable play calling until it was too late. Texas, who we held to 7 points put up 70 on this team. We were unable to get the run game going, and refused to adjust when Tech stacked the box.

Oklahoma: Against one of the worst defenses in the conference, our longest offensive play was a fake punt. That speaks for itself. Kansas put up 23 on this team, meanwhile we can't put up more than 21. through 3 quarters and 10 minutes of football. We proceed to run flat out stupid trick plays, including one that directly resulted in an OU defensive touchdown (that was the difference making TD in the game). Finally gain some momentum with Dekkers, and we put Purdy back in which results in a three and out. Consistent routes less than what is needed for the first on 3rd down. 96 yards passing, 1/10 on third down. Could not make a simple adjustment like changing the snap count to give Purdy a chance to throw the ball.

TCU: Remains to be seen, but I don't have high expectations.


He can't keep his job after this right?


Maybe he will go to Seattle with Matt, when he takes the UW job
 
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it was nice when we had Joel Lanning and we had an automatic first down package in short yardage situations

wish we could get something like that again
 

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