Is “New Tradition” an oxymoron?

Gunnerclone

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Could someone help me out with this? It’s been hurting my brian every time I hear Murphy and Andy or other KXNO pundits using this term. Is it possible to have a new tradition?

For me, “New Tradition” sounds like “manufactured tradition”...but that’s just me.

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You know it's the best new tradition.
 

ArgentCy

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Yes, unless they are specifically saying something like they are trying to start a new tradition.
 

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It's like calling an old run down building historic. It's all contrived to make someone feel better about their situation.
 

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I would say it is not an oxymoron.
The world did not begin with all current traditions already started. Thus, when something that was NOT a tradition BECOMES a tradition, it is new.

Further, the word tradition implies, but does not require a long-standing history. It might not be much of a tradition, but by definition one could at least argue that merely repeating something a 2nd time qualifies as a tradition -- especially if there is intent to regularly repeat. Traditions have a sense of "weight" or "strength" -- the longer one has been around the more "weighty" or the "stronger" it is. Just because a tradition is very "weak"; or very "new"; doesn't mean it isn't a tradition.

Finally, from a different perspective, the phrase "new tradition" is typically (but not exclusively) used to mean "start something new and hope it becomes a long-standing tradition". From this perspective I would say that "new tradition" is a phrase that means something different from the words that make it up (which is not an oxymoron). I feel like there should be a term for this (maybe generically "trope"), but I can't find it. "Muscle memory" is another example. Muscles do no have memory. The phrase is nonsensical from a strict definition standpoint. But the phrase as a whole has an understood meaning.
 
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Could someone help me out with this? It’s been hurting my brian every time I hear Murphy and Andy or other KXNO pundits using this term. Is it possible to have a new tradition?

For me, “New Tradition” sounds like “manufactured tradition”...but that’s just me.

See you in the comments!

Nobody should be hurting your Brian. That sounds dirty.
 
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I take the phrase to mean "relatively new tradition" rather than "brand new tradition."

Of course some traditions are newer than others. I'm okay with that. And something needs to be done for a while before you can start to call it a tradition.
 

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I would say it is not an oxymoron.
The world did not begin with all current traditions already started. Thus, when something that was NOT a tradition BECOMES a tradition, it is new.

Further, the word tradition implies, but does not require a long-standing history. It might not be much of a tradition, but by definition one could at least argue that merely repeating something a 2nd time qualifies as a tradition -- especially if there is intent to regularly repeat. Traditions have a sense of "weight" or "strength" -- the longer one has been around the more "weighty" or the "stronger" it is. Just because a tradition is very "weak"; or very "new"; doesn't mean it isn't a tradition.

Finally, from a different perspective, the phrase "new tradition" is typically (but not exclusively) used to mean "start something new and hope it becomes a long-standing tradition". From this perspective I would say that "new tradition" is a phrase that means something different from the words that make it up (which is not an oxymoron). I feel like there should be a term for this (maybe generically "trope"), but I can't find it. "Muscle memory" is another example. Muscles do no have memory. The phrase is nonsensical from a strict definition standpoint. But the phrase as a whole has an understood meaning.
Well somebody woke up thoughtful, reasonable and well-spoken today. I wish I could have one of those days.
 

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I would say it is not an oxymoron.
The world did not begin with all current traditions already started. Thus, when something that was NOT a tradition BECOMES a tradition, it is new.

Further, the word tradition implies, but does not require a long-standing history. It might not be much of a tradition, but by definition one could at least argue that merely repeating something a 2nd time qualifies as a tradition -- especially if there is intent to regularly repeat. Traditions have a sense of "weight" or "strength" -- the longer one has been around the more "weighty" or the "stronger" it is. Just because a tradition is very "weak"; or very "new"; doesn't mean it isn't a tradition.

Finally, from a different perspective, the phrase "new tradition" is typically (but not exclusively) used to mean "start something new and hope it becomes a long-standing tradition". From this perspective I would say that "new tradition" is a phrase that means something different from the words that make it up (which is not an oxymoron). I feel like there should be a term for this (maybe generically "trope"), but I can't find it. "Muscle memory" is another example. Muscles do no have memory. The phrase is nonsensical from a strict definition standpoint. But the phrase as a whole has an understood meaning.
No. A tradition may not have started at the beginning of time, but by the time it is a tradition it is never new. The phrase is an oxymoron.
 
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Could someone help me out with this? It’s been hurting my brian every time I hear Murphy and Andy or other KXNO pundits using this term. Is it possible to have a new tradition?

For me, “New Tradition” sounds like “manufactured tradition”...but that’s just me.

See you in the comments!
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