Iowa State to the Big 10 (everybody better have a good read!)

[Gonzo]

Penn St.
Nebraska
Iowa St.

Which of these programs is not like the others?

This was brought up in another thread, but Delaney isn't going to do anything that isn't in the financial and competitive interests of the Big 10. In the last 40+ years the only two teams the Big 10 has added are two of the most historically rich football programs in the country. ISU has a lot of strengths and is a strong academic institution. But football is the moneymaker. ISU brings no TV sets, no revenue, and very little competitive chops on the football field.

Just my opinion, and I could be wrong, but I don't see it happening.

 

[dualthreat]

Talk about the ultimate unbalance of power. The acc they have there compared to the sec would be like the current Missouri valley compared to the current sec.

Why would you want to be in a division with 8 perennial powers when you could join the acc and beat up on duke Virginia Maryland wake forest nc state and a few other losers.

 

[Cyhart]

it's time to cut away the lower level teams and finally create the big leagues.

I think that's BS. A lot of teams were "lower level" at one time and were able to make something of themselves as time went on. Look at Boise state. Hell, ******* Kansas won an Orange bowl a couple years back. Iowa wasnt **** at one time either.
Working your way from nothing to the big time is the American way. Why take the chance away with greedy fat-cat super-conferences?
Count my vote as a nay.

 

[CycloneErik]

So, what we have here is ISU fans saying it could happen, however slight the chance may be, and Iowa fans telling us that there's no chance, because they have themselves convinced that New York is a college football state?

 

[NobodyBeatsCy]

This is nothing more than the writer (Lucy Van Pelt) teeing up a football (the Big Ten) waiting for ISU fans (Charlie Brown) to come and try to give it a kick. I will never give this much thought until our 4th Big Ten conference game, and even then, I would still think the football would be yanked away at some point.

 

[justcynn]

So, what we have here is ISU fans saying it could happen, however slight the chance may be, and Iowa fans telling us that there's no chance, because they have themselves convinced that New York is a college football state?

Pretty much, and I dare say if the roles were reversed, Iowa would have little shot at getting the bid either using the same logic...football relevancy nationally speaking? Not really, so I am thinking they should just thank their lucky stars that they were born in the right conference and go away. We know where we stand, we get it we were born on the wrong side of the tracks but we are gonna go Outsiders on em if they keep showing up here!

 

[tm3308]

So, what we have here is ISU fans saying it could happen, however slight the chance may be, and Iowa fans telling us that there's no chance, because they have themselves convinced that New York is a college football state?

As far as I'm concerned, Rutgers is worthless, and Syracuse doesn't add a lot financially, just strengthens the Big Ten in basketball.

I'll rephrase my stance on ISU: it COULD happen, but they would be far down the list of teams that the Big Ten would be interested in. They likely wouldn't get a call unless the Big Ten whiffed everywhere else. Because while SU/Rutgers might not deliver the NYC market, they have a better chance of delivering than ISU has of delivering new TV sets. Delany, in his money-grubbing fashion, will take the New York schools first, just on that off-chance.

 

[tm3308]

Pretty much, and I dare say if the roles were reversed, Iowa would have little shot at getting the bid either using the same logic...football relevancy nationally speaking? Not really, so I am thinking they should just thank their lucky stars that they were born in the right conference and go away. We know where we stand, we get it we were born on the wrong side of the tracks but we are gonna go Outsiders on em if they keep showing up here!

I don't think there have been any Hawk fans (at least not here) who have denied that Iowa would be in the same boat if the roles were reversed. We have a solid standing with our football program, but it's hardly marquee. The basketball program is currently in the dumps, but could be on it's way back (and the basketball program really was one of the best programs in the nation in its hayday). But that doesn't sell to other conferences.

Iowa is extremely fortunate to have been a charter member. That status likely keeps us safe for a long time to come. But I won't deny that we're very lucky to have that status, because we'd be screwed if we didn't.

 

[justcynn]

I don't think there have been any Hawk fans (at least not here) who have denied that Iowa would be in the same boat if the roles were reversed. We have a solid standing with our football program, but it's hardly marquee. The basketball program is currently in the dumps, but could be on it's way back (and the basketball program really was one of the best programs in the nation in its hayday). But that doesn't sell to other conferences.

Iowa is extremely fortunate to have been a charter member. That status likely keeps us safe for a long time to come. But I won't deny that we're very lucky to have that status, because we'd be screwed if we didn't.

Fair enough, I would actually say Iowa's success in Football since 1980 far outweighs basketball, as a Fan in the Tom Davis years and George Ravelling prior to that, Iowa had some decent teams but got greedy and has been irrelevant since, about the same level of success of Iowa State. Football relevancy has been far superior than Iowa State in that time, but not really that significant Nationally and really not that significant in the big 10, Nebraska is a Bigger brand as is Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin and Penn State, so with expansion, Iowa is now 6th in your conference and somewhere toward the bottom in Basketball. Does Iowa really want more teams that drop them down in historical or future signifigance? or more importantly do all of these middle to lower pack teams want better teams coming in? I would think not. Missouri in the big 10 does not help Iowa nor does Texas, VaTech or any other team on your radar, so its really not about Iowa or Northwestern or Minnesota, its about how do your national brands continue to get paid and Iowa stands to lose just as much competitively in this as Iowa State when you think about it like that

 

[Lyddea]

Does Iowa really want more teams that drop them down in historical or future signifigance? or more importantly do all of these middle to lower pack teams want better teams coming in? I would think not. Missouri in the big 10 does not help Iowa nor does Texas, VaTech or any other team on your radar, so its really not about Iowa or Northwestern or Minnesota, its about how do your national brands continue to get paid and Iowa stands to lose just as much competitively in this as Iowa State when you think about it like that

You don't have to wonder and speculate about who the Big Ten wants to add to its conference, you know who they want to add. The two teams in modern times that have been added are Penn State and Nebraska - two of the top 10 all time football teams.

Yes, the Big Ten wants to add high profile teams. That's just the facts, no speculation needed.

 

[justcynn]

You don't have to wonder and speculate about who the Big Ten wants to add to its conference, you know who they want to add. The two teams in modern times that have been added are Penn State and Nebraska - two of the top 10 all time football teams.

Yes, the Big Ten wants to add high profile teams. That's just the facts, no speculation needed.

Very true, and this is how conference realignment will go for the forseeable future, still plenty of high profile historical teams available, my point was this does not help Iowa and other teams of Iowa's stature and maybe as an eqaul founding member they should get off their a** and advocate for something other than they money grab of trying to lure the next dollar into their conference

 

[kingcy]

Maybe the Big 10 doesnt want to just add powerhouse teams. Maybe they want to add a few average programs. Just think what JP and ISU could do with the Big 10 money.

 

[Lyddea]

Maybe the Big 10 doesnt want to just add powerhouse teams. Maybe they want to add a few average programs. Just think what JP and ISU could do with the Big 10 money.

At some point I don't get this.

Fact: The teams the Big Ten has added have been all-time great football teams.
Fact: The teams the Big Ten has added have increased the money earned by all programs in the conference.

What suggests to you that the Big Ten might suddenly want to add average football teams at schools that don't make more money for the rest of the conference?

There's a difference between being justifiably frustrated with King Money in college football and being in denial about it.

 

[kingcy]

At some point I don't get this.

Fact: The teams the Big Ten has added have been all-time great football teams.
Fact: The teams the Big Ten has added have increased the money earned by all programs in the conference.

What suggests to you that the Big Ten might suddenly want to add average football teams at schools that don't make more money for the rest of the conference?

There's a difference between being justifiably frustrated with King Money in college football and being in denial about it.

I know it is all about the money and understand ISU prob wont get invited to the Big 10. I just think at some point some of the lesser schools in these conferences that are looking to expand may stand up against more powerhouse schools moving to their conference. The money and facalites are great, but if you are not winning does it really matter? The exposure you get when you are winning is priceless. Maybe adding a school like an ISU could keep these schools happy. If you add all powerhouse schools to a conference someone will not be a powerhouse in 10 years. What would adding 2 more powerhouse schools to Iowa's schedule do to them, knock them out of bowl games maybe?

 

[Raymeus]

One point that I am not seeing made is this -- if the Big 10 adds schools like Rutgers and Syracuse it's not because those two schools have a huge following. In my opinion, it's because there IS a huge amount of Big 10 alumni on the east coast and the addition of those two would open the Big 10 Network to those fans.

 

[CyPride]

One point that I am not seeing made is this -- if the Big 10 adds schools like Rutgers and Syracuse it's not because those two schools have a huge following. In my opinion, it's because there IS a huge amount of Big 10 alumni on the east coast and the addition of those two would open the Big 10 Network to those fans.

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[bosco]

I would hate to gloss myself but I already predicted this 2 years ago.

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum...negative-ramifications-isu-2.html#post1421061

Well not really but I was board.

 

[nj829]

If the Big 10 is only adding the all-time great football schools, then Syracuse and Rutgers have no business in the conversation.

If they are adding them to increase $$, they should look at adding ISU with one of those 2 to show the country that all of those non-profit schools are also interested in academics, etc. and cover their backsides vs. it looking like a pure moneygrab.

 

[Al_4_State]

The B10N isn't going to be able to strong arm their way into the New York markets by picking up Syracuse and Rutgers.

Syracuse might get them up-state New York, Rutgers won't get them anything. So it's like adding ISU with a ****** geographic fit and weaker academics.

 

[CyBobby]

The big ten needs US at ISU like they need another Indiana or Minnesota...


In other words they dont boys ... That ship sailed about 100 years ago and its never coming back...


Better to look at our future in the expanded Big East or in the integrated Big East/ Big 12.....................


Come on Cyclones lets beat the Living Tar out of those crybabies from Cedar Falls!