Iowa State - 2nd Least Safe Campus in America

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I find that to be a little questionable... I've never considered ISU to be that dangerous of a place... half of the time I didn't even lock my door when I lived in Friley! (Whiiiiiiiiiich probally has something to do with the rating we got but still...)


And our police are now armed with guns, not that I think that will change our rating much.
 
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To be honest, the questionaire that was sent to all colleges and universities was flawed. There was no room to elaborate upon questions posed. They were all 'yes' or 'no' questions.

Here's an example: Instances such as 'are there carbon monoxide detectors located on all floors/rooms' etc. required a yes or no answer. Iowa State University uses a steam system to heat. They were forced to answer no to that question, but in fairness, was unable to list the reason as to why such things were done.

The questions were flawed as shown by that example.

Many schools simply refused to submit this questionaire.
 

ISUboi12

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That is funny that Creighton received an A.

I would love to hear the decision if one of those "judges" was given the choice to walk alone across the Creighton or Iowa State campus at 1:30 on any given night.
 

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Didn't the University of Iowa have a problem recently with a serial sexual assaulter? Has that guy even been caught yet?

Maybe they mixed us up.
 

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Iowa doesn't seem to be as great as everybody thinks for safety and raising a family. I read something a week or two ago (wish I could find a link) that had Iowa ranked in the mid 40's out of the states you'd want to raise a family.
 

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It is likely that ISU's score may have been negatively impacted by the proximity to the U of I and U of I football players.
 

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Seeing that UI is not on the list, I am assuming that they must have had us mixed up with them. Three major law-enforcement agencies (now all with guns!) in a town of 50,000 alone should have put us in the Top 10.
 

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Actually, the survey is flawed.

All of the questions are things like "do the dorms have an attendant", "do the dorms have self-closing self-locking doors", "do you have to show ID to get into campus building", "are there blue-light phones and cameras" in parking lots and all over campus, and "how many police do you have". The top ten of their "safest" campus list is filled with schools in Baltimore, Boston, New York, and Chicago. Of course campuses in urban areas that are in many cases not safe will score better on those questions. They have security buildings and more police because they need them -- we don't. They only looked at safety measures, not crime statistics.
 

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Actually, the survey is flawed.

All of the questions are things like "do the dorms have an attendant", "do the dorms have self-closing self-locking doors", "do you have to show ID to get into campus building", "are there blue-light phones and cameras" in parking lots and all over campus, and "how many police do you have". The top ten of their "safest" campus list is filled with schools in Baltimore, Boston, New York, and Chicago. Of course campuses in urban areas that are in many cases not safe will score better on those questions. They have security buildings and more police because they need them -- we don't. They only looked at safety measures, not crime statistics.

This is spot on...they completed a survey of which campuses take the greatest measures in ATTEMPTS to reduce crime and increase safety. If one were to complete a survey of safety based on the number of indicents that actually occurr on each campus ISU would obviously be near the top. There are lots of things that are unnecessary in Ames because its Ames and not New York, Boston, Chicago, Champaign, or Iowa City.

The people who constructed the survey should know there is a difference between who takes the most 'safety measures' and who is actually the safest as you can only deter crime so much, but when you have people who understand right and wrong crime is much less likely to occurr in the first place. Who was it that said, "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics"?
 

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Why not look at crimes on campus compaired to the number of students on campus? ISU doesnt have to do much to avoid crime because not much is there.

As far as Iowa not being a good place to raise your family. There are not many times in the state I have been worried about my safety. Heck we dont lock our doors when we leave the house, I'm not too worried about locking my car unless I'm at a busy mall or store. There are a lot worse places to live than Iowa.
 

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While the schools are ranked in the exact order of their preparedness, we have given the participants grades of A, B or C.

We realize that each campus is different and that its security needs are unique. Therefore, we believe it is fairer to say that certain schools are excelling in the safety arena; others are doing a good job, and some would benefit by putting more resources into campus safety and security.

From the article.
 

scottie33

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If you've ever been to hooters and read their moist towelettes sayings there is one that says "57.3% of statistics are made up" Kind of makes me laugh at this.
 

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Actually, the survey is flawed.

All of the questions are things like "do the dorms have an attendant", "do the dorms have self-closing self-locking doors", "do you have to show ID to get into campus building", "are there blue-light phones and cameras" in parking lots and all over campus, and "how many police do you have". The top ten of their "safest" campus list is filled with schools in Baltimore, Boston, New York, and Chicago. Of course campuses in urban areas that are in many cases not safe will score better on those questions. They have security buildings and more police because they need them -- we don't. They only looked at safety measures, not crime statistics.

Actually, that's not true. According to their "Methodology" PDF, they did ask for crime statistics in a number of categories. They plugged those numbers into a mathematical formula that weighted serious crimes more heavily. However, I see no report containing those final numbers, nor what exactly those numbers would mean. The report is still a load of poorly-designed crap, but they do take actual crime rate into account, on some level.

Unless they have some insane definition of "attendant", 100% of ISU's residence halls have staff members available 24/7. There is ALWAYS someone on call in every single building. Community Advisors that are on-duty are required to stay in the building, and can be anywhere within a couple of minutes.

I have quite a lot of interaction with campus life units at ISU, especially the Department of Residence and the Office of New Student Programs. We intentionally do not have sessions during Orientation covering binge drinking, drug use, or rape. There are multiple campus units that have extremely capable professionals that can help students with each one, and incoming students are given information on who to contact and how if there is a problem or if they want to read the University's guidelines. We do not have separate presentations on these three topics, so the questionnaire made us answer 'No', despite the fact that we do provide the information elsewhere. The other campus units all conduct regular presentations on the respective topics, open to all students- not just new students. They are also 'on-call' to do the same presentations for any group or individual that requests it. The other, smaller reason we don't include these topics as fully separate presentations is because of Iowa State's unique approach to orientation. Our Orientations in June are much shorter affairs than most schools have. They are less than two days long, and are not only for the incoming student but also for the families. This is a basic introduction to campus and the school, appropriate for everyone who comes along. There are many more student-focused activities and sessions during Destination Iowa State, in the week before classes begin in August. Between the high number of trained professionals, the orientation/DIS arrangement, the low incidence of rape on campus, and the low incidence of hard drug use or binge drinking among freshmen, there is no need for us to spend valuable time covering those topics when they will hear about them elsewhere.

I'm irked that they put so much weight on needing to show your ID in order to even enter the library. I'd never even heard of that before this survey. It might be great for a school in the middle of a high-crime ghetto, but it's an absolutely ridiculous proposition for schools like ours. Any crime that happens in Parks is being committed by students anyway, so that bizarre policy wouldn't help anything.

This is a stupid questionnaire that I'm disappointed the University even bothered responding to.
 
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Iowa doesn't seem to be as great as everybody thinks for safety and raising a family. I read something a week or two ago (wish I could find a link) that had Iowa ranked in the mid 40's out of the states you'd want to raise a family.

These "surveys" always tend to raise my dander, because the "categories" they rate are often irrelevant to anyone except those who only choose to live in urban areas.

We lived in one of the "family friendly" cities at one time. It might've been "family friendly", but we had 3 pedophiles living within 2 blocks of us.
 

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I would like to see a statistic of how many students out of every 100 students on campus is a victim of a crime. They could break it down into different categories and then it would be directly comparable. If at one school there are 5 out of every 100 students assaulted and at another, which has greater prevention methods, there are 7 out of every 100 students then wouldn't you be statistically safer at the less-outfitted school?
 

Phaedrus

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I just read the survey, the methodology and the results. I find it ironic that Boston U., where I received my Master's, is one of the "safest" campuses in America, while nearby Worcester is one of the "least safe".

Anyone with a full and functional brainpan could walk around either campus for like a minute, and realize that Boston is a LOT less safe than Worcester, in any intelligent comparison.
 

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We lived in one of the "family friendly" cities at one time. It might've been "family friendly", but we had 3 pedophiles living within 2 blocks of us.

Maybe that's what they meant by family friendly :no: