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[1SEIACLONE]

There's always going to be a tradeoff between travel and playing more schools across classes. For football the districts are fine like you say. Once a week, but there also are kids at smaller schools traveling for multiple levels throughout the week. But still, football it's mostly fine.

For the other sports it would be tough. I'd say maybe a district system based on geography and class, but maybe for sports other than football or ones that have a lot of games allow the districts to include schools from two classes.

Baseball is crazy. Ames last week had 7 games and will have 7 games again next week. Very fortunate to be located in central Iowa. They have 12 games against CIML teams plus play Indianola and Cedar Falls, plus have been fortunate to get some of the better 3As like North Polk, Ballard, Boone, etc on the schedule in the past.

Sioux City schools, Council Bluffs, Mason City and Ft. Dodge play a lot of smaller schools and also travel a lot more. I'm sure a lot of the small schools are in travel hell for baseball and softball. It also looks like a lot of schools simply don't play a full schedule while the 4As, at least in Central Iowa max out at 40 games or close to it.

For a lot of the small schools scheduling totally depends on your talent level. If you have a very strong team, you want to go out and play larger schools that not only help you in the rankings, but gets you prepared for the districts and state tournament. Now smaller schools that are not very good, are going to play a minimum of games, do not have a lot of kids out typically and are not going to be out looking for the best competition because they realize they are not going to win districts.

Schools like Cardinal in softball during the 90's when they were winning state championship were playing large 4A schools like Burlington and IC schools, while teams closer to them like Ottumwa refused to play them, so they were forced to travel.

 

[AuH2O]

For a lot of the small schools scheduling totally depends on your talent level. If you have a very strong team, you want to go out and play larger schools that not only help you in the rankings, but gets you prepared for the districts and state tournament. Now smaller schools that are not very good, are going to play a minimum of games, do not have a lot of kids out typically and are not going to be out looking for the best competition because they realize they are not going to win districts.

Schools like Cardinal in softball during the 90's when they were winning state championship were playing large 4A schools like Burlington and IC schools, while teams closer to them like Ottumwa refused to play them, so they were forced to travel.

True, and in a lot of sports the non-conference scheduling is half or more of the games, so maybe leaving it up to the schools to seek out competitive games is best. But for the conference slate some resetting could be good. There are a lot of conferences that cross over classes, which I think is fine, but some are not all ideal geographically. I think there could be some optimizing between those two factors.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

I generally agree and have long advocated for this. The one issue I see is outside of the bigger juggernaut schools you can have a lot of variation with one strong class. My kids are all out of high school as of this year, but the youngest had a class full of athletes and one of the stronger sports years for the school since I lived here. The next two classes are rough though. I feel like for a lot of smaller and mid sized schools if you to relegation you'll often be "out of phase" with the actual results.

Good point.

It's just reality in smaller schools. Example, this coming year is the end of the Grundy Center run in everything. They'll be okay going forward but the talent drop off is staggering.

 

[CloneJD]

I generally agree and have long advocated for this. The one issue I see is outside of the bigger juggernaut schools you can have a lot of variation with one strong class. My kids are all out of high school as of this year, but the youngest had a class full of athletes and one of the stronger sports years for the school since I lived here. The next two classes are rough though. I feel like for a lot of smaller and mid sized schools if you to relegation you'll often be "out of phase" with the actual results.

You could easily do a 3-4 year running average. I wish the regular season schedules were based on competitiveness (regardless of size) to encourage kids to go out regardless of the strength of their program relative to school size. And then go back to class size for playoffs.

 

[mramseyISU]

You could easily do a 3-4 year running average. I wish the regular season schedules were based on competitiveness (regardless of size) to encourage kids to go out regardless of the strength of their program relative to school size. And then go back to class size for playoffs.

Relegation every year would be dumb but you could have it every other year like football does for classifications now. I wouldn't be opposed to stretching it out a year or two more than that. Those first couple of cycles could be pretty staggering though with a team moving up or down a couple classes wouldn't surprise me.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

Relegation every year would be dumb but you could have it every other year like football does for classifications now. I wouldn't be opposed to stretching it out a year or two more than that. Those first couple of cycles could be pretty staggering though with a team moving up or down a couple classes wouldn't surprise me.

They do every other year for football because it allows each school to host that school one time and evens out the travel. You have a long road trip one season, then the other school makes it the next year. No reason they could not do the same for the other sports, as long as they kept in mind to play the further distance schools on Friday and Saturday if possible. It could create problems with rivalries that have been played for decades being eliminated but something could and should be done to fix the problem.

 

[VeloClone]

1960s

Midwest Conference;
Perry
Denison
Harlan
Audubon
Lake City
Carroll
Sac City
Any I missed??

Hawkeye 7 Conference

Atlantic
Red Oak
Shenendoah
Clarinda
Glenwood
Creston
Lewis Central

Wikipedia below
In 1930, Creston approached Little Ten Conference members Atlantic, Clarinda, Red Oak, Shenandoah, and Villisca about breaking away from the conference to create their own league. The conference at the time consisted of those schools plus Bedford, Corning, Glenwood, and Sidney. During a meeting in Villisca on February 15, 1930, the schools decided to make it official. Soon after, The Little Six named was changed to the Hawkeye Six.

The 1930 track meet at Red Oak was the first official event, with Shenandoah claiming the first title in league history. Creston and Red Oak would tie for the football conference championship in the fall of '30.

In 1946 the conference went through their first phase of expansion when Corning was admitted, making the conference the Hawkeye Seven. Glenwood would follow in 1951, making it the Hawkeye Eight.

In 1962, Villisca withdrew from the conference to found the Tall Corn Conference, and Council Bluffs, Abraham Lincoln applied for membership, but was denied. Harlan would be invited at this time, but turned down an invitation to stay in the Midwest Conference.

In the fall of 1963, Lewis Central applied for membership, but was denied. The same happened in 1966 when St. Albert's Catholic and Maryville, Missouri both applied for membership and were denied.

Moving forward to 1968, Corning announced they would be leaving the conference in 1970 for the Tall Corn Conference as well. Lewis Central was soon admitted in 1970, and Harlan the following year.

The Tri-Rivers conference has been around since 1967.

When I went to school in that league in the late '70s it was:

Alburnett,
Center Point,
Central City,
East Buchanan,
Edgewood–Colesburg,
Maquoketa Valley
North Linn,
Springville, and
Starmont.

 

[mramseyISU]

They do every other year for football because it allows each school to host that school one time and evens out the travel. You have a long road trip one season, then the other school makes it the next year. No reason they could not do the same for the other sports, as long as they kept in mind to play the further distance schools on Friday and Saturday if possible. It could create problems with rivalries that have been played for decades being eliminated but something could and should be done to fix the problem.

The home and home thing wasn't something I was thinking about but you're right about it. That probably forces you do do the relegation after an even number of years. Every other year might be the right number there, every 4 years seems like it's just too much.

 

[heitclone]

Looks like the Hawkeye Ten would like to keep Red Oak and Shenandoah and invite Underwood and Treynor. They are great additions but the bottom of the league would be much smaller. I wonder if the bigger schools like Lewis Central would look to a new conference with larger schools. This move would totally change the WIC. These are the programs that typically dominate, any new additions would really change the geography as well.

Hawkeye Ten Conference mobilizing to retain Red Oak, Shenandoah, could seek expansion

The Hawkeye Ten Conference is mobilizing in a quick manner with an eye towards keeping the league together and possibly expanding.

www.kmaland.com

 

[VeloClone]

The home and home thing wasn't something I was thinking about but you're right about it. That probably forces you do do the relegation after an even number of years. Every other year might be the right number there, every 4 years seems like it's just too much.

The problem I have with promotion/relegation in high school and college is the complete turnover in rosters that occurs every four years (well it used to be 4 years anyway). If you are promoting a team after two years of successful play there is a good chance that the class of kids that got them there are already out the door. There really is no continuity to justify the promotion/relegation. That's just my opinion.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

IKM-Manning (136) and Audubon (113) are the two smallest Western Iowa Conference schools. They'd be at the top of Rolling Valley, with Woodbine (135).

Red Oak (220) and Shenandoah (231) would go from the smallest (public) Hawkeye Ten to the biggest WIC.

Not counting the above potential moves, the remaining WIC schools are all 150-195 BEDS. The net they've cast is 8 schools all in the 143-197 range, which seems to be a precise strategy.

If everybody changes places [Mad Hatter voice], then the WCAC would be down to 5 schools -- Woodward-Granger, I-35, Ogden, Madrid, and Pleasantville.

It blows my mind Woodbine is still on their own.

 

[heitclone]

So the Western Iowa stuff is making a little more sense, the Missouri River conference currently made up of the Sioux City and council bluffs area schools is looking to raid the Hawkeye Ten in hopes of solidifying a 4a/5a league in the Western half of the state. The Hawkeye Ten and Western Iowa conference are all getting reshuffled by size with the pecking order being mrc, h-10, WIC.

Missouri River Conference reportedly set to invite LC, Harlan, Glenwood, Denison-Schleswig

According to a Friday morning report, the Missouri River Conference is expected to send invitations to Lewis Central, Harlan, Glenwood and Denison-Schleswig.

www.kmaland.com

 

[JEFF420]

It blows my mind Woodbine is still on their own.

they actually have had a lot of money put into the town.

West Harrison (65 bedcount) should probably be rolled into Missouri Valley or Logan

 

[theshadow]

So the Western Iowa stuff is making a little more sense, the Missouri River conference currently made up of the Sioux City and council bluffs area schools is looking to raid the Hawkeye Ten in hopes of solidifying a 4a/5a league in the Western half of the state. The Hawkeye Ten and Western Iowa conference are all getting reshuffled by size with the pecking order being mrc, h-10, WIC.

Missouri River Conference reportedly set to invite LC, Harlan, Glenwood, Denison-Schleswig

According to a Friday morning report, the Missouri River Conference is expected to send invitations to Lewis Central, Harlan, Glenwood and Denison-Schleswig.

www.kmaland.com

A 6+6 north/south split would be nice for the MRAC. Even just getting LC plus one other "southern" team would help the travel balance.

SC North (1202), SC East (1172), SC West (959), LeMars (532), Sgt. Bluff-Luton (404), Heelan (402)
CB AL (997), CB TJ (857), Lewis Central (792), Denison-Schleswig (587), Glenwood (438), Harlan (370)

With the Lakes being absorbed into the Siouxland, I'd personally rather see LeMars back in with the NW schools though. Make that an even 16-team league, and then the MRAC could either take 1 southern school (for 5 north/3 south) or 3 (5/5).

 

[Cyowa 14]

This Iowa high school conference realignment is pretty fascinating actually

 

[mustangcy]

This Iowa high school conference realignment is pretty fascinating actually

I agree...I hope this thread never dies

 

[theshadow]

I agree...I hope this thread never dies

We already know of scheduled moves for 25-26, 26-27, and now 27-28.