Iowa Dual (2PM on Sunday)
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We've been competitive at times but we haven't been able to win the one or two swing matches we've needed to win Iowa duals since the Reagan administration...and Sunday isn't likely to come down to swing matches.
I've been out of the wrestling loop for a while. I havent been to an ISU Iowa meet since I was a kid. Are we really 1-41?
From Iowa's release:
THE SERIES
Iowa leads Iowa State, 63-16-2, in the all-time series, and has won the last 11 meetings. The Hawkeyes own a 25-11-1 in Ames, Iowa. Iowa State’s last win in the series was 19-16 on Dec. 5, 2004. Iowa has won the last five meetings in Ames, and has not lost to Iowa State on the road since Dec. 7, 2003 (21-13). Prior to that Iowa State win, the Hawkeyes had won 30 in a row in the series. A win on Sunday would run Iowa’s active win streak to 12.
I actually was wrong on that I think. The stats on Cyclones.com only go back to 2006. I think we actually won two in a row there. So we're 2-41, not 1-41. My mistake.
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Found the full series on the ISU website. It says 16-60-3, which doesn't match what Iowa's release says (Iowa claims 3 more victories than that)
IOWA 16-60-3
3/6/16 L 8-17 Iowa City
2/10/17 W 32-7 Ames
2/8/19 W 26-14 Ames
2/21/20 W 31-6 Ames
2/17/33 W 34-0 Ames
3/6/34 W 19.5-12.5 Iowa City
2/27/35 W 15.5-10.5 Ames
3/2/36 T 15-15 Iowa City
2/22/37 W 24.5-7.5 Ames
2/5/38 W 19-11 Iowa City
1/13/73 W 29-9 Iowa City
2/16/74 L 12-23 Ames
1/3/75 T 19-19 Iowa City
1/9/76 L 14-19 Ames
2/21/76 L 12-27 Iowa City
1/7/77 W 17-5 Iowa City
2/19/77 T 17-17 Ames
1/7/78 W 18-16 Ames
2/18/78 L 13-24 Iowa City
1/6/79 L 14-24 Iowa City
2/17/79 L 19-29 Ames
1/5/80 L 17-23 Ames
2/16/80 L 12-22 Iowa City
1/9/81 W 25-14 Ames
2/21/81 L 6-27 Iowa City
1/9/82 L 11-24 Iowa City
2/19/82 L 8-31 Ames
1/15/83 L 15-21 Ames
2/19/83 L 11-26 Iowa City
1/14/84 L 14-27 Iowa City
2/18/84 L 16-26 Ames
1/19/85 L 9-28 Ames
2/23/85 L 9-23 Iowa City
1/18/86 L 9-25 Iowa City
2/23/86 W 19-16 Ames
1/11/87 W 23-12 Ames
2/21/87 L 15-18 Iowa City
1/16/88 L 15-22 Iowa City
2/21/88 L 15-17 Ames
1/15/89 L 15-25 Ames
2/19/89 L 17-22 Iowa City
1/12/90 L 2-32 Hampton, Va.
1/13/90 L 13-24 Hampton, Va.
1/20/90 L 6-28 Iowa City
2/18/90 L 8-29 Ames
1/20/91 L 9-25 Ames
2/17/91 L 6-37 Iowa City
2/9/92 L 13-32 Ann Arbor, Mich.
2/22/92 L 8-29 Iowa City
2/20/93 L 12-28 Ames
2/20/94 L 19-22 Iowa City
2/18/95 L 3-32 Ames
1/13/96 L 12-22 Ames
2/18/96 L 4-33 Iowa City
12/14/96 L 13-26 Iowa City
2/16/97 L 18-20 Ames
12/14/97 L 10-28 Ames
2/20/98 L 9-32 Iowa City
12/11/98 L 14-30 Iowa City
1/17/99 L 7-32 Iowa City [ND]
12/10/99 L 12-24 Ames
12/8/00 L 17-23 Iowa City
1/21/01 L 21-26 State College, Pa.
12/9/01 L 16-21 Ames
1/20/02 L 15-25 Columbus, Ohio
12/8/02 L 7-34 Iowa City
12/7/03 W 21-13 Ames
12/5/04 W 19-16 Iowa City
12/2/05 L 15-20 Ames
12/3/06 L 6-24 Iowa City
12/9/07 L 13-20 Ames
12/6/08 L 15-20 Iowa City
12/6/09 L 16-18 Ames
1/10/10 L 12-19 Cedar Falls
12/3/10 L 13-22 Iowa City
12/4/11 L 9-27 Ames
12/1/12 L 3-32 Iowa City
12/1/13 L 9-23 Ames
11/29/14 L 8-28 Iowa City
IOWA 16-60-3
3/6/16 L 8-17 Iowa City
2/10/17 W 32-7 Ames
2/8/19 W 26-14 Ames
2/21/20 W 31-6 Ames
2/17/33 W 34-0 Ames
3/6/34 W 19.5-12.5 Iowa City
2/27/35 W 15.5-10.5 Ames
3/2/36 T 15-15 Iowa City
2/22/37 W 24.5-7.5 Ames
2/5/38 W 19-11 Iowa City
1/13/73 W 29-9 Iowa City
2/16/74 L 12-23 Ames
1/3/75 T 19-19 Iowa City
1/9/76 L 14-19 Ames
2/21/76 L 12-27 Iowa City
1/7/77 W 17-5 Iowa City
2/19/77 T 17-17 Ames
1/7/78 W 18-16 Ames
2/18/78 L 13-24 Iowa City
1/6/79 L 14-24 Iowa City
2/17/79 L 19-29 Ames
1/5/80 L 17-23 Ames
2/16/80 L 12-22 Iowa City
1/9/81 W 25-14 Ames
2/21/81 L 6-27 Iowa City
1/9/82 L 11-24 Iowa City
2/19/82 L 8-31 Ames
1/15/83 L 15-21 Ames
2/19/83 L 11-26 Iowa City
1/14/84 L 14-27 Iowa City
2/18/84 L 16-26 Ames
1/19/85 L 9-28 Ames
2/23/85 L 9-23 Iowa City
1/18/86 L 9-25 Iowa City
2/23/86 W 19-16 Ames
1/11/87 W 23-12 Ames
2/21/87 L 15-18 Iowa City
1/16/88 L 15-22 Iowa City
2/21/88 L 15-17 Ames
1/15/89 L 15-25 Ames
2/19/89 L 17-22 Iowa City
1/12/90 L 2-32 Hampton, Va.
1/13/90 L 13-24 Hampton, Va.
1/20/90 L 6-28 Iowa City
2/18/90 L 8-29 Ames
1/20/91 L 9-25 Ames
2/17/91 L 6-37 Iowa City
2/9/92 L 13-32 Ann Arbor, Mich.
2/22/92 L 8-29 Iowa City
2/20/93 L 12-28 Ames
2/20/94 L 19-22 Iowa City
2/18/95 L 3-32 Ames
1/13/96 L 12-22 Ames
2/18/96 L 4-33 Iowa City
12/14/96 L 13-26 Iowa City
2/16/97 L 18-20 Ames
12/14/97 L 10-28 Ames
2/20/98 L 9-32 Iowa City
12/11/98 L 14-30 Iowa City
1/17/99 L 7-32 Iowa City [ND]
12/10/99 L 12-24 Ames
12/8/00 L 17-23 Iowa City
1/21/01 L 21-26 State College, Pa.
12/9/01 L 16-21 Ames
1/20/02 L 15-25 Columbus, Ohio
12/8/02 L 7-34 Iowa City
12/7/03 W 21-13 Ames
12/5/04 W 19-16 Iowa City
12/2/05 L 15-20 Ames
12/3/06 L 6-24 Iowa City
12/9/07 L 13-20 Ames
12/6/08 L 15-20 Iowa City
12/6/09 L 16-18 Ames
1/10/10 L 12-19 Cedar Falls
12/3/10 L 13-22 Iowa City
12/4/11 L 9-27 Ames
12/1/12 L 3-32 Iowa City
12/1/13 L 9-23 Ames
11/29/14 L 8-28 Iowa City
I would just add that the all-time dual meet results make Iowa seem more dominant historically than it really was.
As anyone can see in the prior post, they didn't wrestle each other from 1939 through 1972, when Iowa State was clearly the dominant program.
Gable was an assistant at Iowa beginning in the 1970s, when the teams started wrestling each other twice a year, and Iowa clearly turned the corner. Iowa began racking up two wins a season, after decades where they didn't wrestle each other -- again, after a long period of time in which Iowa State would have dominated the series judging by the results at nationals (or, even just looking at the pre-1939 results listed above).
UNI was probably the second best program in the state much of that time, and the UNI head coach Dave McCusky was later hired at Iowa. Later, Gary Kurdelmeier was a good coach at Iowa and coached there when Gable was hired (and, incidentally, was from the same home town as Iowa State head coach Harold Nichols, Cresco, also the hometown of future Nobel Peace Prize winner Norman Borlaug before Borlaug wrestled at Minnesota). Not trying to put any "spin" on this, but anyone wanting to make accurate comparisons of how the two programs have performed relative to each other needs to consider this, how the all-time dual series record is skewed as a result of both the years they didn't wrestle and the years they started wrestling twice a season. With all of their national championships since Gable started coaching, Iowa is clearly the dominant program now, and I believe ranks second all-time to Oklahama State.
All that being said, a return to national championship form should show Iowa State becoming more competitive in this series, as Iowa did when it starting winning in the 1970s. It won't be this year. But it would be great to see some 'surprises' in the results of individual matches. I would only add in the run up to its last national team title, likely no one thought Iowa State would beat Iowa except the Iowa State wrestlers and staff.
As anyone can see in the prior post, they didn't wrestle each other from 1939 through 1972, when Iowa State was clearly the dominant program.
Gable was an assistant at Iowa beginning in the 1970s, when the teams started wrestling each other twice a year, and Iowa clearly turned the corner. Iowa began racking up two wins a season, after decades where they didn't wrestle each other -- again, after a long period of time in which Iowa State would have dominated the series judging by the results at nationals (or, even just looking at the pre-1939 results listed above).
UNI was probably the second best program in the state much of that time, and the UNI head coach Dave McCusky was later hired at Iowa. Later, Gary Kurdelmeier was a good coach at Iowa and coached there when Gable was hired (and, incidentally, was from the same home town as Iowa State head coach Harold Nichols, Cresco, also the hometown of future Nobel Peace Prize winner Norman Borlaug before Borlaug wrestled at Minnesota). Not trying to put any "spin" on this, but anyone wanting to make accurate comparisons of how the two programs have performed relative to each other needs to consider this, how the all-time dual series record is skewed as a result of both the years they didn't wrestle and the years they started wrestling twice a season. With all of their national championships since Gable started coaching, Iowa is clearly the dominant program now, and I believe ranks second all-time to Oklahama State.
All that being said, a return to national championship form should show Iowa State becoming more competitive in this series, as Iowa did when it starting winning in the 1970s. It won't be this year. But it would be great to see some 'surprises' in the results of individual matches. I would only add in the run up to its last national team title, likely no one thought Iowa State would beat Iowa except the Iowa State wrestlers and staff.
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I wasn't trying to imply otherwise. I just was getting ahead of the posts that come up every year of people who think that we used to beat Iowa all the time.
They are sure dragging that out.
My opinion is he should be reinstated it's gone on long enough, first offence and from the sounds of it the other guy was asking for it.
The 16-18 dual loss a few years ago was the last I thought we had a good chance at beating them at home. Jerome Ward upsetting Keddy was huge. I believe it came down to Metcalf's pin that made the difference in dual score. It was a big time atmosphere (no curtain) and we definitely had the horses to go with anybody in the nation that year.
A couple pins at 141 and HWT could at least make it respectable, but we'd need everything to break our way to come out with a win.
This won't go well for us, but it'll be a nice gauge on where some of our guys are at. Really hope we go with Boston against Gilman.
Lol he has a court case coming up for assault charges. Of course KJ isn't going to wrestle him.
Also, he's clearly not coaching for his job given be just got an extension.
