INSIDER: Camp standouts, wild Big 12 expansion rumor

[Boxerdaddy]

Another interesting candidate:

http://landgrantgauntlet.com/2015/07/28/should-arkansas-join-the-big-12-while-they-still-can/

 

[Tre4ISU]

This idea isn't out of left field. There has been "smoke" on this idea for several months now:

http://tucson.com/would-big-be-a-be...cle_0afe7d40-c21c-11e5-9122-136c443ef6a2.html

http://www.espn.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/109247/would-arizona-arizona-state-consider-the-big-12

I had no idea that the Arizona schools would IMPROVE their travel mileage with a move to the Big12. That even includes a trip to WV.

There has been a lot of Pac 12 smoke. I've seen about half the conference mentioned in some way, shape, or form. UA and ASU probably make the most sense and I would sign up for that in a heartbeat, not to mention Fox and ESPN would probably be okay with that.

 

[Tre4ISU]

It's probably not about television sets since we don't have a conf network based on subscribers per footprint. Owning their own 3rd tier rights might be attractive to PAC schools right now since K-State, for example, makes more from their own digital network than any of the PAC schools make from the conf network.

This. As cable is cut, conference networks aren't going to be a huge deal. This expansion is a money grab for the Big 12. A huge money grab.

 

[isucy86]

Would the staff really burn both frosh RBs redshirts this season?

I gotta believe yes, if the kids are going to get snaps on offense and special teams. We have been one of the worst Big12 teams over the past 3-4 years, so their is no reason to redshirt a kid to make sure he is still on the roster in 2020.

 

[isufbcurt]

If that is true, then the PAC-12 is in for a dumpster fire. The Pac12 Network is atrocious

Probably because half the content is run be college students. My stepdaughter who is currently at ASU started in journalism and we toured the Pac12 Network set in the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and the tour guide kept talking about how the students run the programming as part of their course work.

 

[NATEizKING]

If we get those 4, kegger at Charter House.

 

[Tre4ISU]

It's probably not about television sets since we don't have a conf network based on subscribers per footprint. Owning their own 3rd tier rights might be attractive to PAC schools right now since K-State, for example, makes more from their own digital network than any of the PAC schools make from the conf network.

This. As cable is cut, conference networks aren't going to be a huge deal. This expansion is a money grab for the Big 12. A huge money grab.

 

[srjclone]

Probably because half the content is run be college students. My stepdaughter who is currently at ASU started in journalism and we toured the Pac12 Network set in the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and the tour guide kept talking about how the students run the programming as part of their course work.

I didn't know this, but it makes a lot of sense. That is awesome for the students! But it definitely shows

 

[jbindm]

So we're already looking at the very real possibility of at least three true freshmen - Allen, Bailey, Montgomery - getting significant snaps this year. Any other candidates? Maybe Sean Foster, although I didn't see him listed on the most recent two deep.

 

[everyyard]

Zona, ASU, and CU = instant stability. Oh, and Tempe...

 

[tolfbfan]

Would the staff really burn both frosh RBs redshirts this season?

Most years, Toledo used 3 or 4 running backs in a season and sometimes in a game.

 

[istater7]

So we're already looking at the very real possibility of at least three true freshmen - Allen, Bailey, Montgomery - getting significant snaps this year. Any other candidates? Maybe Sean Foster, although I didn't see him listed on the most recent two deep.

Tymar Sutton as well.

 

[aeroclone]

If we get those 4, kegger at Charter House.

My question is, why CSU in this scenario? If we really had the clout to pull UA, ASU, and CU out of the PAC, then why promote lowly CSU in the 4 spot? They aren't getting talked about in any of the more common scenarios (BYU, Cincy, UConn, Houston), so why do they have a place here. Colorado isn't a big enough market or sports crazy enough to need 2 schools. With a big westward push, I think that makes the case for BYU even stronger. Or, take the momentum and strength the league is showing with the first three PAC schools and push for either a 4th PAC school or an SEC defection from Mizzou, Arkansas, or maybe even LSU (are they tired of living in the Bama shadow? it was a good enough reason for aTm to bounce). Pulling three P5 schools in a single sweep of realignment would be the biggest power play we have seen since this started, so why not go big and strike while the iron is hot?

 

[carvers4math]

Would Colorado actually have CSU's back? I think that happens in states other than this one.

 

[LLCoolCY]

My question is, why CSU in this scenario? If we really had the clout to pull UA, ASU, and CU out of the PAC, then why promote lowly CSU in the 4 spot? They aren't getting talked about in any of the more common scenarios (BYU, Cincy, UConn, Houston), so why do they have a place here. Colorado isn't a big enough market or sports crazy enough to need 2 schools. With a big westward push, I think that makes the case for BYU even stronger. Or, take the momentum and strength the league is showing with the first three PAC schools and push for either a 4th PAC school or an SEC defection from Mizzou, Arkansas, or maybe even LSU (are they tired of living in the Bama shadow? it was a good enough reason for aTm to bounce). Pulling three P5 schools in a single sweep of realignment would be the biggest power play we have seen since this started, so why not go big and strike while the iron is hot?

The only reason I can reason that CSU would be included above the 4 other schools you mentioned would be that Colorado politics are involved. Much like Kansas is tied to KSU, Texas to TT and Oklahoma to OSU.
Substituting CSU for UCONN or Cincy would be a partner for WV should be considered. And BYU is more attractive to providers ($$$) than CSU.

 

[Clonehomer]

If the UA, ASU, and CU rumors are true then that puts the PAC12 in a real tough spot. They have some real high profile members but there isn't anyone in the area to join. If those four teams join the Big12, I'd think we'd have a good shot at going to 16 quickly as I just don't see the PAC12 lasting. If I were WSU and OSU I'd be looking closely into what's going on. If we thought we were in trouble if the Big12 falls apart, they would be in a much worse spot.

But the real question is if PAC12 teams are truly available, why CSU and not UCLA? Deal that conference a death blow and get ready to take USC and Stanford to get to 16. Oregon and Washington to the Big10 and we're on our way to 4x16. Sorry Utah

 

[Clonehomer]

The only reason I can reason that CSU would be included above the 4 other schools you mentioned would be that Colorado politics are involved. Much like Kansas is tied to KSU, Texas to TT and Oklahoma to OSU.
Substituting CSU for UCONN or Cincy would be a partner for WV should be considered. And BYU is more attractive to providers ($$$) than CSU.

Now that I think about it, I wonder if there is a fear that taking 4 PAC members would cause a collapse and there is fear about lawsuits? Taking three not top tier teams let's the PAC survive (thus CSU).

 

[CloneForever1]

The only reason I can reason that CSU would be included above the 4 other schools you mentioned would be that Colorado politics are involved. Much like Kansas is tied to KSU, Texas to TT and Oklahoma to OSU.
Substituting CSU for UCONN or Cincy would be a partner for WV should be considered. And BYU is more attractive to providers ($$$) than CSU.

Just a guess. They want the natural rivalries. And there is blowback against BYU, the Sunday thing and their position on social issues. Right or wrong, the decision makers represent institutions that are more inclusive, as a whole, than BYU is. Again, that is totally a guess.

 

[isucy86]

Another interesting candidate:

http://landgrantgauntlet.com/2015/07/28/should-arkansas-join-the-big-12-while-they-still-can/

I don't know if any of the rumors today have merit, but Arkansas would be a good add too.

The information this article provides on tier 3 rights and how those monies can equalize what schools are getting through the SEC Network is good to create awareness. I can't recall seeing a table breaking out tier 1,2,3 rights fees by conference. The SEC Network is hyped, but I think the golden egg for the SEC is their 2:30 time slot with CBS?

IMO this is a unique advantage of the Big12 TV contract over the 4 conference networks- schools keep their tier 3 rights. Name schools like Texas, OU, Bama, USC, UCLA, etc can maximize their TV rights fees instead of equally sharing with smaller market schools like Iowa State, Baylor, Oregon State, Washington State, etc.

Sure its nice and has created stability to share all tier revenue equally, but why should there be the expectation that Washington State's TV money is the same as USC?

This is America, home of capitalism!!

 

[ViktorLuzor]

Here's my favorite line from Mr Williams's article:

"There is no competition – at all – for the top spot though. Joel Lanning is the guy."

It is quite nice to start the season with a clear QB leader.