If the B12 remains intact and moves forward

[Gonzo]

Wait, has this become a SOS discussion?

Some are saying a reconfigured Big 12 would be better than the PAC or ACC most seasons, because in the past three seasons new additions like Cincy, UCF, Boise have finished the season ranked. I'm just saying all of those teams likely wouldn't have finished ranked had they been in a conference with each other and ISU, OSU, KSU, etc. So yeah, they finished ranked because they beat up on G5 competition all season.

 

[Cyclones1969]

According to some, complain and say they won’t support or watch ISU. I will keep attending and donating at my same level (at minimum, probably increase as kids graduate college) as I currently do.

Oh no, I’ll still be sending my checks every year. I live too far away to purchase tickets though.

but, and you have to acknowledge this, Iowa State fans have historically been very poor at donating money, and people will not be nearly as willing to donate if we are in the same conference as Cincinnati as opposed to Texas and ou.

 

[CYphyllis]

I cannot wrap my head around the mental gymnastics it must take to convince yourself that there is literally any set of schools out there that the B12 could possibly add to salvage this corpse of a conference.

 

[BCClone]

Doubtful.

I would say pretty equal an the average.

 

[BCClone]

Oh no, I’ll still be sending my checks every year. I live too far away to purchase tickets though.

but, and you have to acknowledge this, Iowa State fans have historically been very poor at donating money, and people will not be nearly as willing to donate if we are in the same conference as Cincinnati as opposed to Texas and ou.

Unsure. Winning fixes a lot of things. We aren’t used to winning. The donations are coming because we are winning. We continue and I see donations ratchet up still.

 

[WhoISthis]

Ok now take 20 million dollars from each of the athletic department’s budgets. See what that does to coach retention.

The part you really do seem to miss, continually, is that short term with exit fees, and whatever espn gives us to try to avoid court, the money will not be significantly different.

Lmao. Don’t be an idiot. Many of those schools would be earning MORE in the new Big 12. With more exposure.

The 8 would be making less, but places like ISU have never been using the out-spend model for success. They also haven’t been using the out-recruit model. For the reason they are the “no value” schools is why it doesn’t change their odds of success much. If anything, we’d likely see an increase in ISU’s brand, as nothing is better than winning in that regard. And given how poor UT has been, I’m fine with paying the same for tickets and streaming, as it’s a gain in compelling games.

In terms of quality of play, it’s right there with the PAC 12, Big 10 West and potentially the ACC once Clemson cools off. The Pac12 is dead anyway, and has been AAC level.

 

[BCClone]

Some are saying a reconfigured Big 12 would be better than the PAC or ACC most seasons, because in the past three seasons new additions like Cincy, UCF, Boise have finished the season ranked. I'm just saying all of those teams likely wouldn't have finished ranked had they been in a conference with each other and ISU, OSU, KSU, etc. So yeah, they finished ranked because they beat up on G5 competition all season.

Throw out those teams and just use our current 8. ISU (KSU before us, we have kind of flipped places lately) OSU, WV, TCU and Baylor have all been regularly ranked teams. I say the remaining 8 are pretty much on par with the PAC (name wise, no) but head to head and it would be hard to accurately say year in year out who would be the best. Throw in BYU which will play several PAC teams and hold their own. The last team I don’t know.

 

[Cyclones1969]

Lmao. Don’t be an idiot. Many of those schools would be earning MORE in the new Big 12. With more exposure.

The 8 would be making less, but places like ISU have never been using the out-spend model for success. They also haven’t been using the out-recruit model. For the reason they are the “no value” schools is why it doesn’t change their odds of success much. If anything, we’d likely see an increase in ISU’s brand, as nothing is better than winning in that regard.

In terms of quality of play, it’s right there with the PAC 12, Big 10 West and potentially the ACC once Clemson cools off. The Pac12 is dead anyway, and has been AAC level.

Wow, still hungover from last night. I hope

And oh please tell us, How would any of the remaining 8 make more money than they currently do?

 

[WhoISthis]

And you don't think those UCF, Cincy, Boise final poll rankings had anything to do with the fact that they were top dogs in G5 conferences playing pretty weak schedules? Just looking at Cincy's schedule in 2019... UCLA, Ohio St., Miami (OH), Marshall, UCF, Houston, Tulsa, ECU, UConn, USF, Temple. When they played Ohio St. they lost 42-0.

There's a reason UCF went undefeated in 2017 and didn't get a CFP invite.

I just think it's a little off to look at those potential new additions final rankings over the past three seasons, given the schedules they played, and assume that they'd have done the same thing playing in a reconfigured Big 12, where the competition between each other and the likes of ISU, OSU, etc., would have undeniably been tougher.

Like any worse then the Big 10 west with unbalanced schedules?

 

[WhoISthis]

Wow, still hungover from last night. I hope

And oh please tell us, How would any of the remaining 8 make more money than they currently do?

Jesus dude, are you high? Go back and reread.

 

[Cyclones1969]

Throw out those teams and just use our current 8. ISU (KSU before us, we have kind of flipped places lately) OSU, WV, TCU and Baylor have all been regularly ranked teams. I say the remaining 8 are pretty much on par with the PAC (name wise, no) but head to head and it would be hard to accurately say year in year out who would be the best. Throw in BYU which will play several PAC teams and hold their own. The last team I don’t know.

Today this is true. 5 years from now when even Washington state is making 10-15 million more than any team in a new big 12, it won’t be

 

[Cyclones1969]

Jesus dude, are you high? Go back and reread.

So you’re saying the 2 schools that are added will be making more than they currently do. No one said any different. They make nothing now, so 20 million will feel like a fortune.

now do the remaining 8 schools, which of course is what I was talking about. 40 million to 20 million is a death knell for all of them. They all know that too.

 

[Pope]

I'm pretty sure that any agreement to add specific teams will be based on the understanding that these additions won't happen until after our current GOR expires (after the 2025 season). Then if the conference dissolves before the 2025 season (which I'm guessing will happen) the agreement becomes null and void. This way, the Big 12 covers it's butt while still keeping all the pressure on ESPN, OU, TX, and SEC.

 

[BCClone]

I'm pretty sure that any agreement to add specific teams will be based on the understanding that these additions won't happen until after our current GOR expires (after there 2025 season). Then if the conference dissolves before the 2025 season (which I'm guessing will happen) the agreement becomes null and void. This way, the Big 12 covers it's butt while still keeping all the pressure on ESPN, OU, TX, and SEC.

Only way it happens before is if OU and UT pay to get out and ESPN breaks contract or renegotiates the contract.

 

[Cyclones1969]

I'm pretty sure that any agreement to add specific teams will be based on the understanding that these additions won't happen until after our current GOR expires (after there 2025 season). Then if the conference dissolves before the 2025 season (which I'm guessing will happen) the agreement becomes null and void. This way, the Big 12 covers it's butt while still keeping all the pressure on ESPN, OU, TX, and SEC.

This is the correct answer

but I have to admit, I’m excited about all of the playoff appearances I’ve been promised. So maybe we need to think outside the box here

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Today this is true. 5 years from now when even Washington state is making 10-15 million more than any team in a new big 12, it won’t be

Washington State is next door to Boise State and has made five times as much money as Boise, and yet Boise has been better for every season of the past 15 except the Gardner Minshew one. Your doom and gloom about TV money = wins and losses is not only pessimistic but just wrong.

 

[WhoISthis]

I cannot wrap my head around the mental gymnastics it must take to convince yourself that there is literally any set of schools out there that the B12 could possibly add to salvage this corpse of a conference.

There is no salvaging what once was a top 2 football conference.

The floor is a much improved AAC, and whether one thinks that’s a corpse or not, the fact is a much improved AAC is football-better than Pac12. It’s not winning popularity contests, but frankly that’s only important to bluebloods and seasons in which one is competing for playoffs. If we have several seasons like this past one, or like Cincy and UCF have had in which we’re constrained by being viewed as 4th or 5th best conference, than we’re still ahead of now.

It’s largely contradictory to think the 8 are ****** because they inherently have less value, while also thinking they’ll be impacted on the field. Budgets will be, but budgets are a means to acquire wins. And wins will be just as easy/hard, with only one or two less relevant games.

ISU is in a unique position. We’re already at, and viewed, at our innate floor because of consistently playing against a stacked deck. Taking our AAC recruiting and having more success in an improved AAC like Cincy has wouldn’t be a death blow. It’s how pseudo community colleges have prospered, so a place like Iowa St would likely use it as a means to be well positioned in the next round- streaming driven realignment in combination with PAC 12 and ACC destruction

 

[Cyclones1969]

Washington State is next door to Boise State and has made five times as much money as Boise, and yet Boise has been better for every season of the past 15 except the Gardner Minshew one. Your doom and gloom about TV money = wins and losses is not only pessimistic but just wrong.

you’re still not understanding what people have been trying to explain to you.

Let Washington state play in the Mwc or wac or whatever boise plays in, rather than the pac 12, and they would have had more success also. Let boise play usc Washington Oregon Stanford etc every year, and see what their record would have looked like

When you have to play better teams week in and week out, it’s tougher than if you’re the best team in a mediocre g5

it seems like fox wants to stay involved with college football. The two conferences they broadcast, are going to get more money. Pac is at 32 now, I would assume they will be near the 40 million dollar level with this renegotiation.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

you’re still not understanding what people have been trying to explain to you.

Let Washington state play in the Mwc or wac or whatever boise plays in, rather than the pac 12, and they would have had more success also. Let boise play usc Washington Oregon Stanford etc every year, and see what their record would have looked like

When you have to play better teams week in and week out, it’s tougher than if you’re the best team in a mediocre g5

it seems like fox wants to stay involved with college football. The two conferences they broadcast, are going to get more money. Pac is at 32 now, I would assume they will be near the 40 million dollar level with this renegotiation.

Do you think Washington State would be a better program than Boise State if they swap conferences?

 

[Cyclones1969]

Do you think Washington State would be a better program than Boise State if they swap conferences?

I think that the odds that they would be are greatly increased

Do you think North Dakota state is a better program than Iowa? I mean they beat them head to head, and they win 13 games every year. So they have to be better, right?