How close was Jim Harbaugh to being ISU's coach?

dualthreat

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I would have loved to have Harbaugh in hindsight, but then again we would going through what Stanford is right now.

I assume you mean the threat of him leaving? Or do you mean we'd have to be playing in that ****** orange bowl game?

:rolleyes:

A head coach is a product of his coordinators and players. We all know that. See: Gene. He could have done it at ISU too if he'd have the same staff he does now and similar caliber players.

There was nothing wrong with hiring gene chizik at ISU.
 

cyco2000

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Speaking of Harbaugh, is Lenny25 or 52ynnel still around?

I was just thinking we could ask Lenny--he gave him a call when the search was going on.

I miss Lenny. That guy was a crack-up, as long as you knew he was pushing buttons.
 

Psyclone Brian

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In my chats with Pollard, (from what I can remember) Harbaugh and ??? somebody else interviewed in the same afternoon in Dallas. Both thought they had the job after their interviews with Pollard. Harbaugh's interview was not high on Jamie's list, but apparently he had to interview him because of the contributing sponsors, supporters, and doners wanted him to. And then at an ISU wrestling ceremony I ran into JP that evening, and he said (publicly) that nobody has even touched on his candidate yet, (Chizik) ...and the rest is history.
 

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Harbaugh coached at Univ. of San Diego, a much smaller school than San Diego State. His teams played Drake every year. He was totally unproven, and Stanford basically took him because their candidate pool was not that impressive.
Let's be honest - his success at Stanford has stunned everyone. No one knew he would be this kind of head coach.

My wife works as USD and we watched him first hand. He took a team that was the lowest of lows and made them the class o their category. He could not offer scholorships yet routinely beat higher level teams that had scholorship athletes. He was able to get players that could have had a free ride elsewhere to come to a very expensive school just to play for him. He would have been a great fit at ISU, though he wouldn't have been there long-term.

He was unproven, but definitely worth the risk in my mind. Having said that, I wasn't complaining about the Chiz hire at the time.
 

Psyclone Brian

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I would have loved to see ISU play under Harbaugh's power-I, smash-mouth offense.
...me too!
I also like Harbaugh's practice sessions, they're handicapped! ...like defensive 4 on 6. They're super fast drills designed for speed. So when they play in a game his teams alertness & awareness in impecable, makes the atmosphere of the game and the other team seem slower to his players. I guess in comparison to what Kurt Warner went through in Arena-ball, before playing in the NFL.
 

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Noone I would rather have than Rhodes, but I wish we ran the Stanford offense. Like that much more than the rush to the line and stand for 25 seconds.
 

LonoClone

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Noone I would rather have than Rhodes, but I wish we ran the Stanford offense. Like that much more than the rush to the line and stand for 25 seconds.

No one you'd rather have, and yet you can't bother to spell his name correctly.
 

Tornado man

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My wife works as USD and we watched him first hand. He took a team that was the lowest of lows and made them the class o their category. He could not offer scholorships yet routinely beat higher level teams that had scholorship athletes. He was able to get players that could have had a free ride elsewhere to come to a very expensive school just to play for him. He would have been a great fit at ISU, though he wouldn't have been there long-term.

Yeah, I attended the Drake-San Diego game in Des Moines in 2006. It was supposed to be a classic game; Harbaugh's USD team was ranked #1 of the mid-majors, Drake was ranked #2. San Diego pounded Drake 37-0. You could see Harbaugh's intensity and passion in the Torero players; they played like maniacs. Like you said, it was obvious they loved playing for him.
 

Stormin

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The names thrown around as Mac's replacement were:

1. Gene Chizik---Got the job
2. Brian Kelly----Probably would have had the job but started talking
3. Jim Harbaugh--Maybe would have gotten the job but started talking
4. Tim Brewster---Never would have gotten the job but started talking

Pretty good list of Coaches IMO. Chizik's BIG problem is that he hired his friends to be his assistants rather than others that would have been more qualified. But then again, maybe GC was so much of an *** that other coaches wouldn't work under him at ISU while Auburn is a big enough name that they will tolerate him.

When CPR was hired, I believe that he was the best coach interviewed. I don't think we had quite as good of a list to choose from. And Rhoads was certainly qualified, ready, and a good fit for ISU.

I remember that the list included CPR, Turner Gill, Jay Norvell, and maybe one or two others.

CPR is great IMO. I think everyone is happy with who we have today. Plus CPR has a great staff. And seems to bring in quality guys when someone leaves. That was Mac's downfall. But in defense of Mac, he didn't have the budget for assistants like CPR does.
 

RayShimley

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I would have loved to have Harbaugh in hindsight, but then again we would going through what Stanford is right now.

Best record in school history and a BCS bowl game win? What I wouldn't give to be "going through what Standford is right now"!

Seriously though, who knows what would've happened if we got Kelly or Harbaugh instead of Chizik? Just glad we have CPR now and that it seems he wants to stay here for a while. Stability is the most important thing to rebulding this program.
 

cyhiphopp

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The names thrown around as Mac's replacement were:

1. Gene Chizik---Got the job
2. Brian Kelly----Probably would have had the job but started talking
3. Jim Harbaugh--Maybe would have gotten the job but started talking
4. Tim Brewster---Never would have gotten the job but started talking

Pretty good list of Coaches IMO. Chizik's BIG problem is that he hired his friends to be his assistants rather than others that would have been more qualified. But then again, maybe GC was so much of an *** that other coaches wouldn't work under him at ISU while Auburn is a big enough name that they will tolerate him.

When CPR was hired, I believe that he was the best coach interviewed. I don't think we had quite as good of a list to choose from. And Rhoads was certainly qualified, ready, and a good fit for ISU.

I remember that the list included CPR, Turner Gill, Jay Norvell, and maybe one or two others.

CPR is great IMO. I think everyone is happy with who we have today. Plus CPR has a great staff. And seems to bring in quality guys when someone leaves. That was Mac's downfall. But in defense of Mac, he didn't have the budget for assistants like CPR does.

As far as Brian Kelly goes, I think he had a great shot at the ISU job, but then the Michigan State position opened up and he wanted to wait and see if he got that. MSU went after Dantonio from Cincy which put Kelly at Cincy. If MSU hadn't opened up, Kelly might have beat out Gene.

Now, the debate is still unresolved as to whether Kelly would have done more at ISU than Gene did. My guess is that Kelly would have hired more qualified coordinators, and with his previous HC experience, would have made less gameday mistakes. That, I believe, could have won us more ball games.

Another question is, what kind of talent would Kelly have brought to ISU as compared to Chizik? Chizik had some good recruiters on his staff. You can tell, because those are the guys he took with him to Auburn and preceded to give them non-coaching positions. Auburn has enough money to pay them more that ISU to just focus on recruiting. However, GC and staff did not stick around long enough to really build the recruiting ties for ISU. He also recruited a few to many JuCo players and had more than his share of no-shows. So, for every good recruit that GC brought in (LJ, Darks) he had a few guys that didn't pan out or make it to campus. That killed us. Chizik also did not recruit players for the spread like Kelly would have. We would be in better shape now if GC had recruited more high school players to develop. My guess is that he wanted to win as much as possible as soon as possible to get a better job offer, so he tried to bring in quick fix JuCos.

Kelly on the other hand did really well at Cincy, but most of that was done with players recruited by Dantonio. Kellys recruiting classes at Cincy were not that great, especially considering the amount of success he had there in a short time. Looking at Cincy now, it doesn't seem like they are particularly loaded with talent but time will tell. I do give credit to Kelly for getting a lot out of the players he had. It seems like Dantonio recruited some very good talent for Kellys system and Kelly got as much as he could out of them in a very short time. Chizik seemed to do the opposite. He floundered with the existing talent and pointed to better days in the future when he got "his" guys in there. I have a feeling that Kelly would have gotten more out of Bret Meyer and Todd Blythe if he had been the HC.

Now, the next question is, would Kelly have stuck around longer? Well, if he had as many losses as Chizik, he probably wouldn't have had a choice. GC going to Auburn was a rare deal. I doubt Kelly has those kind of connections. If Kelly was able to get more wins out of ISU than GC did, he probably would have jumped ship as well. My thinking is that he would have had to stick it out for at least 3 years and have won a lot more games to get a better gig.
 

cyclone13

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At least if we're in Stanford's position, we shouldn't have any problems getting good candidates for head coach if Harbaugh leaves.
My beef with GC is he didn't fulfill his duties in hiring the best available assistants and instead hired his fishing buddies. I understand that there has to be a high level of trust with the assistants, but there's a reason why these guys were not coaching at Division I.

Another candidate when GC left was Jeff Bowden. There was an article at the Rag where Bobby Bowden said that Jeff Bowden would be interested in ISU opening. Not sure how credible it was and whether JP actually did something.
 

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