Good grief......I voted for Perot twice, and read two of his books, "Not for sale at any price" and "United we stand" or something like that. It's amazing my fingers don't crumble into dust as I am typing:wideeyed:
Harkin v. Limbaugh
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Your position seems to be that we need to introduce some prospective into the discussion. However, if you go down that road pretty soon the lowest common denominator becomes the standard for our politicians.
Instead I would raise the bar and submit that politicians should be held to a high ethical standard. In other words, when you find the character of a politician to be troubling, that should not exempt lesser ethical breaches by other politicians from condemnation.
Finally ethical lapses should be judged on their merits. People on this board tend to only charge those politicians that do not share their political beliefs with ethical misconduct.
herbiedoobie wrote:
I haven't been following this closely so I am ignorant. Please give us some names of soldiers who are "phony".
StLouisClone wrote:
Would you say that a soldier who supports a war but refuses to volunteer to go to the combat zone or anywhere else near it is a phony? If so, any currently prominent politicians come to mind?
Would you say that a soldier who supports a war but refuses to volunteer to go to the combat zone or anywhere else near it is a phony? If so, any currently prominent politicians come to mind?
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Cyclone42
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Here's some research for you. You are obviously too lazy to do it yourself, so I did it for you.
The worst kind of fraud - Editorial / Opinion
Here's an excerpt from a different site:
U.S. Attorney Jeffrey C. Sullivan today announced some of the results of "Operation Stolen Valor," a year long effort to investigate and prosecute those who lie about their military service for financial gain or other reasons.
*Jesse Macbeth, 23, Tacoma, Washington, sentenced today in connection with his fraudulent claims of military service. Macbeth sought medical benefits claiming to suffer from PTSD related to service in Iraq and Afghanistan, in fact, Macbeth was discharged from the Army about a month after he joined. Macbeth never traveled outside the U.S. with the Army. Macbeth duped reporters, claiming to be a decorated Army Ranger who had witnessed war crimes.
In other words, WHAT HE DID WAS A CRIME!! HE WAS FRAUDULANTLY AND CRIMINALLY IMPERSONATING A SOLDIER!!
So much for "actually out there fighting". By the way, "phony war heroes" is a term that the United States Attorney used, NOT Rush Limbaugh. Don't agree with it? Take it up with the U.S. Department of Justice.
Rush wasn't taken out of context. He has edited the piece where he made reference to phony soldiers and is playing the edited version.
Here is the full version. Unedited.
Media Matters - Limbaugh: Service members who support U.S. withdrawal are "phony soldiers"
Scroll down to see the dialogue.
I am not sure why it is necessary for you to take such a boorish approach with isufbucurt insofar you do not have your own facts right.
For one thing, no one is disputing that Jesse MacBeth engaged in criminal behavior. He entered into a plea agreement where he pled guilty to a charge of making a False Statement. He made false statements on an application for veterans benefits. As part and parcel of his fraudulent claim for VA benefits, he falsified his official miltary discharge record (DD214) which he needed to support his claim. Falsifying your official military records is also a criminal offense.
MacBeth was not charged with criminally inpresonating a soldier. I am not sure such an offense exists. MacBeth indeed served in the Army albeit it appears like he ended up being a trainee discharge.
If the point of your ire is to somehow link Rush Limbaugh's phony soldier statement to MacBeth, forget it. Rush is trying real hard to make it appear the MacBeth was object of his "phony soldier" comment instead of the caller that was slighted. Not going to work. Waste your anger somewhere else.
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Johnny, how do you know that Rush Limbaugh's phony soldier statement was not connected with MacBeth? Or are you simply assuming such due to your inclination to target "right wingers."
What is the evidence that Rush was or was not referring to MacBeth?
Perhaps I'm just to lazy to research this issue.
Congress has passed legislation to prosecute individuals who claim military medals they had not earned. It passed both the House and Senate unanimously. It was introduced by Congressman John Salazar (D-CO). According to NPR, there are 50 ongoing investigations by the FBI into violations of Salazar's legislation. I don't know whether McBeth claimed that he was awarded any medals.
I would presume that utube would have captured Rush's remarks. I would check utube but the filtering controls on my intranet will not allow me to connect to utube.
Perhaps those who are convinced that Rush failed to direct his "phony soldier" comments at McBeth are basing their convictions on a political bias? If that is the case, the allegations against Rush are nothing short of slanderous.
Perhaps those who are convinced that Rush failed to direct his "phony soldier" comments at McBeth are basing their convictions on a political bias? If that is the case, the allegations against Rush are nothing short of slanderous.
The context is very clear, he was talking about impersonator soldiers like Jesse Macbeth. Some have tried to rebut this by claiming that he mentions Jesse Macbeth "much later" in the program, but it is only a few sentences later, and it's only because the caller suddenly changes the subject mid-stream to WMDs. Rush just responds briefly about WMDs and then gets back on the subject of phony soldiers.
The UNEDITED transcript link:
The Shield of Achilles: Media Matters Turns Ugly and Phony [Updated]
The UNEDITED transcript link:
The Shield of Achilles: Media Matters Turns Ugly and Phony [Updated]
Are you sure that the link you provided is the full transcript? Other web sites that purport to disclose the full transcript continue far beyond where the Media Matters identifies as the cut-off ("exactly sir"). What Media Matters has done is to selectively ended the transcript where it best suits their purposes.
And of course my suspicions were aroused when I saw that the link you provided was furnished by "Media Matters." The fact that Media Matters is partially funded by MoveOn.org should indicate that they are far from a biased organization.
Rush Limbaugh and his "phony soldier" contreversy is addressed ad nauseam in another thread, Hilaryis Baby Bonds.
Mr. Tremain is the foremost authority on what sources are legit. I would defer to his discretion.
Here is a link refuting Limbaugh's claim. PLUS it has the ORIGINAL audio version. Rush has released an edited version which he has edited out about one minute and 35 seconds of the original. I think Rush is on the Hillbilly Heroin again.
Media Matters - FACT CHECK: "Phony Soldiers" and Limbaugh's Revisionist History
Media Matters - FACT CHECK: "Phony Soldiers" and Limbaugh's Revisionist History
