Let's hope Saturday showed who they really are and not the Iowa game when every receiver seemed to have at least one ball that hit them right in the hands and ended up on the turf.
Game Thoughts Oklahoma State
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We scoreboard watch, so it depends on OU’s offense
This would be a game in which even a well coached Cyclone offense struggles to keep up.
Which is why the self-inflicted marginalization in the Ohio game, and even against Iowa, is a major problem.
It's not the ratio, it's the timing.I've shared some of these stats a couple of times, but it seems worthwhile to keep repeating it. 70%-80% passes is a super high amount that would be higher than basically every FBS offense in the past decade (many of Leach's teams were in the 70s, but no other FBS team has reached 70% since Hawaii in 2007). In quarters 1-3 on Saturday, Iowa State threw 59.65% of the time, which would rank 13th in FBS this year and would have been 9th last year. Even last year, Iowa State threw the ball 57% of the time, which was 16th in FBS.
College Football Stats - College FB Team Passing Play Percentage | TeamRankings.com
College Football passing play percentage, by team.www.teamrankings.com
I just like to add those numbers in so we all know the context when we want the team to pass more. I don't know, maybe they should be throwing 70% of the time. But just to be clear, throwing 70% of the time would almost certainly finish the season as the most pass-happy offense in FBS.
ISU has been so predictable on running plays that makes that part of the game so challenging.
A lot of those ratios balance out because if you pass effectively, and score early, you can run late and shorten the 2nd half.
I think it is about time Gundy got penalized with this:
Rule 3 Section 5 Substitutions
e. When Team A sends in its substitutes, the officials will not allow the ball to be snapped until Team B has been given an opportunity to substitute. While in the process of substitution or simulated substitution, Team A is prohibited from rushing quickly to the line of scrimmage with the obvious attempt of creating a defensive disadvantage. If the ball is ready for play, the game officials will not permit the ball to be snapped until Team B has placed substitutes in position and replaced players have left the field of play. Team B must react promptly with its substitutes
PENALTY—(First Offense)—Dead-ball foul. Delay of game on Team B for not completing its substitutions promptly, or delay of game on Team A for causing the play clock to expire. Five yards from the succeeding spot [S21]. The referee will then notify the head coach that any further use of this tactic will result in an unsportsmanlike conduct foul.
PENALTY—(Second or more offense)—Dead-ball foul, team unsportsmanlike conduct. An official will sound their whistle immediately. 15 yards from the succeeding spot [S27].
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He has been slow rolling his defensive substitutions for years - ever since they instituted the rule that if the offense substitutes the defense has to be given the chance to. ISU has had to use a TO on more than one occasion because of this tactic. He had D-linemen on Saturday that took almost 15 seconds to make one substitution and the ball was made available for the snap with about 5 seconds on the play clock.
A team shouldn't be in danger of having to burn a timeout or take a penalty when they substitute with more than 20 seconds on the play clock.
Rule 3 Section 5 Substitutions
e. When Team A sends in its substitutes, the officials will not allow the ball to be snapped until Team B has been given an opportunity to substitute. While in the process of substitution or simulated substitution, Team A is prohibited from rushing quickly to the line of scrimmage with the obvious attempt of creating a defensive disadvantage. If the ball is ready for play, the game officials will not permit the ball to be snapped until Team B has placed substitutes in position and replaced players have left the field of play. Team B must react promptly with its substitutes
PENALTY—(First Offense)—Dead-ball foul. Delay of game on Team B for not completing its substitutions promptly, or delay of game on Team A for causing the play clock to expire. Five yards from the succeeding spot [S21]. The referee will then notify the head coach that any further use of this tactic will result in an unsportsmanlike conduct foul.
PENALTY—(Second or more offense)—Dead-ball foul, team unsportsmanlike conduct. An official will sound their whistle immediately. 15 yards from the succeeding spot [S27].
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He has been slow rolling his defensive substitutions for years - ever since they instituted the rule that if the offense substitutes the defense has to be given the chance to. ISU has had to use a TO on more than one occasion because of this tactic. He had D-linemen on Saturday that took almost 15 seconds to make one substitution and the ball was made available for the snap with about 5 seconds on the play clock.
A team shouldn't be in danger of having to burn a timeout or take a penalty when they substitute with more than 20 seconds on the play clock.
Certainly there's truth to all of that, but I was responding to those saying we need to pass more. I also wanted to find a sort of "competitive game" passing rate statistic, but was unable to.
While Iowa State has definitely been predictable on running plays this season and in the past, I don't think that was as much the case on Saturday. I'm sure you would disagree, and that's fine.
The WRs had plenty of chances to make plays in the Iowa game but they couldn't catch the damned ball. Matt and Nate can't go out and catch it for them. If they would have made a few more catches they would have extended drives creating even more plays and opportunities. Unfortunately several drives ended prematurely due to dropped passes that hit the receivers right in the hands.
Yes, they were bad in the Iowa game. Noel especially struggled. But I did not see a lot of scheming to get them open like we did vs OSU on Saturday. Noel was running routes on Saturday that I'm not sure I've ever seen him run. Daniel Jackson has gone from urban legend to actually a real player and contributor in the offense. Hoping we get to see the trend continue.
I feel a lot better about the state of our WR room after Saturday. I was despondent after Iowa.
Iowa is probably more in line with the talent we'll face the rest of the year than OSU was.
I doubt it very much. Iowa's secondary especially is probably the best defensive unit we will face all season.
I'll grant you that OSU is perhaps the worst we have faced so far, but I'm thinking there will be others in the Big 12 that are similar.
The receivers dropping passes that hit them square in the hands during the Iowa game was what the conversation was about. Unless your contention is that softly defended passes were dropped because of the WRs fear of the Iowa defenders I don't know what the difference between Iowa's defense and OSU's defense has to do with it.
It's about drops not pass defense.
Diving at the most would have been 3rd and 1. Sliding resulted in 3rd and 5.
He should have just kept running, not diving or sliding. Looked like he had a chance at 1st down.
They're the worst team in the conference and they've quit on Gundy. They are the worst ******* team we will play the rest of the year. By a full notch too. It's the worst OSU team in the last 40 years according to my company safety guy who played fb there just a few years ago. Things are bad there.
I'll give Iowa fans credit for admitting they suck and not making up excuses about being young or this and that. They know they are a .500 team.
In order of most to least I'd say its:
Brock
Lee
Remsburg (not treiber, whoops)
Hanika
Sauser
Dekkers (addition by subtraction)
It's impossible to say who would have had the most impact, but at least Lee and Brock would have had plenty of snaps. Remsburg and Hanika are depth if not more.
To this point, didn't CMC always used to hammer his philosophy of "players, formations, plays".. What happened to that? it feels like he has largely gone away from this and tried to just run "his system". From my view in the cheap seats, it seems like when they actually lean into the players, formations, plays mantra and design plays/schemes around the individual skill sets of who we have on the field we tend to have more success?
Lee betting against his own team means he was a cancer. Remsburg isn’t gone. He'll be back. Hanika made little to no impact on his position group and was easily replaced. Saucer…nothing. Deckers…a major cancer in the locker room blaming his teammates for what was happening. I support my statement. Brock is the only one we miss.
Good point. We finally went back to that philosophy on Sat. And the pace was better. Better prep, less thinking on the field.
