Gamblin…Smoke and Fire

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JD720

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What I want to know and hasn't been discussed is how they were caught? Thousands of people gamble illegally. Players at blueblood schools could walk into a Vegas sportsbook, place an annoymous bet, and no one would know who they are. How do kids get caught using technology that isn't continusly patrolled by the NCAA/FBI? and since players over 21 gambling isn't illegal (just against NCAA rules) the police wouln't get involved. And even players underage gambling isn't worthy of an FBI investigation. How many of us played blackjack with buddies in high school or college underage? How about poker? It's simply not worth the time.

And the fact nothing official has come out and everything is based on "some poster on a private board heard from a guy who knows based on what he heard..." this seems like a lot of chatter based on nothing official.
The sports books are required to have procedures to prevent players/coaches/trainers/etc from betting. It sound like at least one of them looked at bets made at the athletic faculties to identify the players/coaches/etc and then looked at those users' betting history for anything irregular. It doesn't sound like the found anything super serious (like point shaving/game fixing), but found some stuff the the NCAA or Iowa DCI were interested in. We're still waiting to hear what specifically.
 
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What I want to know and hasn't been discussed is how they were caught? Thousands of people gamble illegally. Players at blueblood schools could walk into a Vegas sportsbook, place an annoymous bet, and no one would know who they are. How do kids get caught using technology that isn't continusly patrolled by the NCAA/FBI? and since players over 21 gambling isn't illegal (just against NCAA rules) the police wouln't get involved. And even players underage gambling isn't worthy of an FBI investigation. How many of us played blackjack with buddies in high school or college underage? How about poker? It's simply not worth the time.

And the fact nothing official has come out and everything is based on "some poster on a private board heard from a guy who knows based on what he heard..." this seems like a lot of chatter based on nothing official.
Like I had stated before I would bet that the Racing and gaming commissions try to keep close tabs on this for several reasons to protect their own ass. The Iowa Administrative Code specified earlier being one. If the sportsbook doesn't tag those per Iowa they could be at fault and lose their gaming license. I'm sure that the sportsbooks don't care about the NCAA regs, but since the Iowa code addresses them that puts the onus on the sportsbooks to monitor it or lose their license.
 

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What I want to know and hasn't been discussed is how they were caught? Thousands of people gamble illegally. Players at blueblood schools could walk into a Vegas sportsbook, place an annoymous bet, and no one would know who they are. How do kids get caught using technology that isn't continusly patrolled by the NCAA/FBI? and since players over 21 gambling isn't illegal (just against NCAA rules) the police wouln't get involved. And even players underage gambling isn't worthy of an FBI investigation. How many of us played blackjack with buddies in high school or college underage? How about poker? It's simply not worth the time.

And the fact nothing official has come out and everything is based on "some poster on a private board heard from a guy who knows based on what he heard..." this seems like a lot of chatter based on nothing official.
Maybe by a backup?
 

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What I want to know and hasn't been discussed is how they were caught? Thousands of people gamble illegally. Players at blueblood schools could walk into a Vegas sportsbook, place an annoymous bet, and no one would know who they are. How do kids get caught using technology that isn't continusly patrolled by the NCAA/FBI? and since players over 21 gambling isn't illegal (just against NCAA rules) the police wouln't get involved. And even players underage gambling isn't worthy of an FBI investigation. How many of us played blackjack with buddies in high school or college underage? How about poker? It's simply not worth the time.

And the fact nothing official has come out and everything is based on "some poster on a private board heard from a guy who knows based on what he heard..." this seems like a lot of chatter based on nothing official.

The same account bouncing around different IP address across the state. Same way that Google sends an alert if you try to log in from a different device.
 

Rabbuk

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The same account bouncing around different IP address across the state. Same way that Google sends an alert if you try to log in from a different device.
I think most apps will detect a VPN being on your phone. Oh I reread and you meant all in iowa.
 

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Doesn't this section apply to licensees/operators?

Yes Section 7 is regarding the Internal Controls the wagering operators have to have in place to detect/prohibit items a through i.

Iowa Code Section 99F.15 is the Prohibited activities - penalties section which lays out what these guys might be in trouble for, underage and knowingly passing wagers.
 
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Yes Section 7 is regarding the Internal Controls the wagering operators have to have in place to detect/prohibit items a through i.

Iowa Code Section 99F.15 is the Prohibited activities - penalties section which lays out what these guys might be in trouble for.

I think it is wild speculation to suggest any athlete at ISU is in trouble for a violation of this code section:

https://www.legis.iowa.gov/docs/code/99F.15.pdf
 

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I think it is wild speculation to suggest any athlete at ISU is in trouble for a violation of this code section:

https://www.legis.iowa.gov/docs/code/99F.15.pdf
I fully agree. I didn't find anything in all of 99f that would have put any athletes in violation, however Section 7 was probably Iowa legislature attempting to follow NCAA rules (no idea why) which puts the sportsbooks in the spot they have to monitor the athletes or they risk losing their license.

From the way I see it the state legislature then made this whole scenario happen due to section 7 even though it is not against the law.

My personal opinion is that while the NCAA rules are outdated and should be changed, they are what they are and the players broke the rules and were caught. Which sucks, but the players were aware of the NCAA rules and so this is on them.
 

Rabbuk

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I fully agree. I didn't find anything in all of 99f that would have put any athletes in violation, however Section 7 was probably Iowa legislature attempting to follow NCAA rules (no idea why) which puts the sportsbooks in the spot they have to monitor the athletes or they risk losing their license.

From the way I see it the state legislature then made this whole scenario happen due to section 7 even though it is not against the law.

My personal opinion is that while the NCAA rules are outdated and should be changed, they are what they are and the players broke the rules and were caught. Which sucks, but the players were aware of the NCAA rules and so this is on them.
Isn't it shilling if they were betting under a parents name?
 

FOREVERTRUE

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Isn't it shilling if they were betting under a parents name?
Yes and the smoke seems to be leading to that, but as of now for us it is just speculation, and as far as I've seen it now only one person is being brought up using their parents name.

Edit: admittedly I don't have any sources other than here.:)
 

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Again, so we're clear, Cyclone fanatics are discussing alleged Cyclone players' alleged actions violating alleged law and discovered through alleged software compliance checks?

Who has actual sources that any of this is happening? Not a rumor. Not a guy close to the dept who said something. Not posts from a message board. Someone... anyone... with an actual name stating any of these things.
 

MartyFine

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Isn't it shilling if they were betting under a parents name?

No, I do not believe that is what the legislature intended when this code section first appeared in 1989, especially considering the common definition of the word (accomplice of a gambler who acts like an enthusiastic customer to encourage others to gamble).
 

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Who has actual sources that any of this is happening? Not a rumor. Not a guy close to the dept who said something. Not posts from a message board. Someone... anyone... with an actual name stating any of these things.
Lol. So you want a news report? Or the Iowa State University statement?
This is a MESSAGE BOARD! Not CNN
 

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I think this is a NCAA thing. If you're a NCAA athlete you cannot bet on sports tied to the NCAA. Which is pretty much everything. Maybe betting on horses is allowed. But other NCAA sports, NFL, NBA, WNBA, etc is a hard no.
Probably not horse racing either. Hear me out...in track and field there is an event called steeplechase where you can win an NCAA championship. In horse racing there is an event called steeplechase as well. Ergo NCAA athletes can't bet on horse racing...
 

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Probably not horse racing either. Hear me out...in track and field there is an event called steeplechase where you can win a NCAA championship. In horse racing there is an event called steeplechase as well. Ergo NCAA athletes can't bet on horse racing...
This guy cracked the code!
 
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