***Fresno State (2/9) and @ UNI (2/10) Duals***

[Judoka]

Not sure why you are criticizing St John when he won.

I'm absolutely not criticizing St. John, I'm questioning why he's out there instead of giving Jennings a shot. As far as him winning - Kelly is 0-5 in duals and 4-10 against D-1 guys on the season. The closest guy on our team to what his results are would probably be Allison or maybe Bush. Any three of our guys at 165 would have been favored there. Congrats to him on the win but I don't think that changes the question of why we tucked Jennings away after he got the only good win for us of the season at 165 and Jennings beat St. John 8-0 at an open tournament just a few weeks ago. Unless Jennings is hurt or in trouble for something there's no reason why he wouldn't be out there.

And next week whoever we send out is just a sacrificial lamb, so our only chances to see whether Jennings win over Fogarty were a fluke or if he's the real deal are now in the past.

 

[clonedude]

Not sure why you are criticizing St John when he won.

But could Jennings have gotten bonus points or a pin?

 

[CyTwins]

St John keeps beating him in wrestle offs. Not much more than that

 

[buf87]

https://iawrestle.com/2018/02/10/dresser-press-conference-after-the-isu-uni-dual/

Some talk about St John vs Jennings in the 1st part interview

 

[NEICyFan]

Was there last night. Went about as expected unfortunately. We do continue to improve at several weights while being completely out talented at others. Even 165 where we won is poor. The strategy of a release to go down 1 with :23 left at HWT was baffling. The encouraging thing is that several of our better guys continue to make strides.

Feeling good about the Iowa dual. I think we win 3 matches which I wouldn't have predicted a couple months ago .

 

[matclone]

https://iawrestle.com/2018/02/10/dresser-press-conference-after-the-isu-uni-dual/

Some talk about St John vs Jennings in the 1st part interview

Basically, that St. John has won wrestle-offs, as others have mentioned.

I only listened to the first part so far, but I liked this press conference. The questions seemed a little more substantive and the answers a more forthcoming than usual--maybe a result of the informality of the setting. Dresser sticks to his theme that success comes from hard work, and he looks at how the wrestlers respond when things get hard.

 

[CloneinWDSM]

Random questions from a wrestling noob.

Why did we have two forfeits? We have no other guy to even go out there to wrestle in that given weight class?

When you have several duals in a span of a few days, do you have to make the weight before each one or is there a grace period that if you make weight for the first dual, you are fine for the 2nd?

I want to start watching more ISU wrestling, but the product has to be better. I’ve watched PSU/OSU and PSU/Iowa the last few weeks and have been pretty entertained.

 

[buf87]

Random questions from a wrestling noob.

Why did we have two forfeits? We have no other guy to even go out there to wrestle in that given weight class?

When you have several duals in a span of a few days, do you have to make the weight before each one or is there a grace period that if you make weight for the first dual, you are fine for the 2nd?

I want to start watching more ISU wrestling, but the product has to be better. I’ve watched PSU/OSU and PSU/Iowa the last few weeks and have been pretty entertained.

We are one forfeiting 141. After Storr quit, Parker moved up to 141 and then hurt his knee. Gomez is a true freshman and in redshirt and can't compete as a starter.

As far as 125, we started the season with Vega, Marmajo??? and both got suspended and then quit. Allison walked on and then broke his hand, then Briggs walked on and is trying.

You have to weigh in 1 hour before each dual. So our guys weighed in at scratch weight Friday night and Saturday night.

 

[buf87]

As far as the future. Next year anyway.
125 - Mackall, a mid season transfer will be at 125 next year and a definite improvement
133 - Gomez is going to be good and also Simmons will be competing here
141 - Gomez might go here, but assume it will be Parker
149 - Degen will be back, Also Ryan Leisure will be coming off redshirt. Also have Dante here
157 - Straw will be back and possibly Leisure going up to challenge
165 - Assume is stays Jennings, St John and Breitenbach, I don't think they pull Carr's redshirt. David Carr will be a stud
174 - Marcus Coleman will be coming off of redshirt and had a great redshirt year.
184 - Not sure who replaces Dane. Bush go up or Teague go down or maybe a true frosh???
197 - Colbray will be back
Hwt - Harrington will also be back with Gremmel pushing him

Our seniors are Breitenbach, St John, Bush and Dante.

 

[Bam bam]

St John keeps beating him in wrestle offs. Not much more than that

Well, in the interest of accuracy, there has only been one wrestle off between them and it took place after Jennings beat him 8-0 at an open and after Brady's big win at NDSU. It just doesn't make sense to me that they even had to wrestle off.

 

[CyTwins]

Well, in the interest of accuracy, there has only been one wrestle off between them and it took place after Jennings beat him 8-0 at an open and after Brady's big win at NDSU. It just doesn't make sense to me that they even had to wrestle off.

St John won two wrestle offs this week to get to wrestle this weekend according to Dresser. Don't shoot the messenger

 

[Bam bam]

St John won two wrestle offs this week to get to wrestle this weekend according to Dresser. Don't shoot the messenger

Lol. Not shooting the messenger at all, sorry that you took that personally. They had a wrestle off that consisted of the best two out three matches. They gave Brady the open match where he beat St. John so all he had to do was win one match. He lost one soundly and the second one he lost in OT. Regardless, my point remains the same. Why did they have to wrestle off in the first place? I don't get it, but I don't have to. The coaches are in charge and that's that. It just seems sketchy to me and I have to wonder if nepotism isn't a factor here. After the reported blatant favoritism of the previous staff, this kind of thing is on my radar. Nothing more than that. Not shooting the messenger and not dogging on St. John.

 

[jkbuff98]

Lol. Not shooting the messenger at all, sorry that you took that personally. They had a wrestle off that consisted of the best two out three matches. They gave Brady the open match where he beat St. John so all he had to do was win one match. He lost one soundly and the second one he lost in OT. Regardless, my point remains the same. Why did they have to wrestle off in the first place? I don't get it, but I don't have to. The coaches are in charge and that's that. It just seems sketchy to me and I have to wonder if nepotism isn't a factor here. After the reported blatant favoritism of the previous staff, this kind of thing is on my radar. Nothing more than that. Not shooting the messenger and not dogging on St. John.

Sounds fair to me . Dresser said all weights would be open until conference. Jennings had a good match at NDSU and beat St John in an open. He also got pinned twice in duals I believe. He only needed one of the 2 matches they wrestled and didn’t get it done. If he asked for a wrestle off and didn’t get one that’s a different story.

 

[Royalclone]

A lot of it could be related to changing the culture. You work in practice like the coach's want and expect, you get your chance. I suspect being a brother of a coach, St. John has a leg up on getting the culture.

 

[Bam bam]

Sounds fair to me . Dresser said all weights would be open until conference. Jennings had a good match at NDSU and beat St John in an open. He also got pinned twice in duals I believe. He only needed one of the 2 matches they wrestled and didn’t get it done. If he asked for a wrestle off and didn’t get one that’s a different story.

I guess we can agree to disagree. If you review this thread there are a lot of us that agree that this doesn't make sense. Either way, it is what it is and St. John won fair and square. I trust this staff. i just hope, for the sake of the team, that Jennings gets another shot. Until last night, he and Breitenbach were the only two to post a win at 165. So, my question remains, why did St. John get the wrestle off in the first place? This isn't lost on the kids in the room and perceived favoritism, real or not, can and does affect morale. We have last season as a perfect example of that.

 

[SimpsonCyclone]

I guess we can agree to disagree. If you review this thread there are a lot of us that agree that this doesn't make sense. Either way, it is what it is and St. John won fair and square. I trust this staff. i just hope, for the sake of the team, that Jennings gets another shot. Until last night, he and Breitenbach were the only two to post a win at 165. So, my question remains, why did St. John get the wrestle off in the first place? This isn't lost on the kids in the room and perceived favoritism, real or not, can and does affect morale. We have last season as a perfect example of that.

If Jennings wanted the spot then he should have won at least one of the wrestle-offs to make the lineup. There wasn't enough body of work for either wrestler to name them the automatic starter. We all want a culture change as fans but then ***** about a kid losing 2 wrestle offs in one week and not getting the spot? Go out and earn it.

 

[Judoka]

Well, in the interest of accuracy, there has only been one wrestle off between them and it took place after Jennings beat him 8-0 at an open and after Brady's big win at NDSU. It just doesn't make sense to me that they even had to wrestle off.

That win on Saturday. was St. John's first win over a D1 opponent of the entire season. That improved him to 1-6 on the season against D-1 opponents. This includes a 0-8 loss to Jennings. It also includes a loss to a 4-9 guy from Oregon State

Jennings moved up to 165 in January and since then he is 5-2 against D1 opponents at 165. This includes an 8-0 win over St. John. No losses to guys who aren't well on track to be NCAA Qualifiers, and a win over a guy who on track to be an NCAA qualifier.

 

[Judoka]

They both have 7 matches against D-1 opponents so here's a blind resume.

Wrestler 1:
4-9 loss to a 9-4 wrestler
2-3 loss to a 4-9 wrestler
4-8 loss to an 11-13 wrestler
0-8 loss to Wrestler #2
2-4 loss to a 12-8 wrestler
1-16 loss to a 16-11 wrestler
7-4 win over an 8-10 wrestler

Wrestler 2
8-4 win over a 13-4 wrestler
7-0 win over a 13-6 wrester
19-4 win over a 17-7 wrestler
8-0 win over Wrestler #1
LBF to an 18-11 wrestler (ranked #25 in the last coaches panel)
LBF to a 15-3 wrestler (ranked #9 in the last coaches panel)
7-2 win over a 24-9 wrestler (ranked #22 in the last coaches panel)

Wrestler #2 has a clearly superior resume to wrestler #1. They aren't even close. Giving wrestle offs until the guy you want to win wins is a pretty standard tactic. Ask Bobby Douglas about it. If St. John wasn't the younger brother of a coach would he have gotten that wrestle off? I don't think he would have.

 

[Bam bam]

They both have 7 matches against D-1 opponents so here's a blind resume.

Wrestler 1:
4-9 loss to a 9-4 wrestler
2-3 loss to a 4-9 wrestler
4-8 loss to an 11-13 wrestler
0-8 loss to Wrestler #2
2-4 loss to a 12-8 wrestler
1-16 loss to a 16-11 wrestler
7-4 win over an 8-10 wrestler

Wrestler 2
8-4 win over a 13-4 wrestler
7-0 win over a 13-6 wrester
19-4 win over a 17-7 wrestler
8-0 win over Wrestler #1
LBF to an 18-11 wrestler (ranked #25 in the last coaches panel)
LBF to a 15-3 wrestler (ranked #9 in the last coaches panel)
7-2 win over a 24-9 wrestler (ranked #22 in the last coaches panel)

Wrestler #2 has a clearly superior resume to wrestler #1. They aren't even close. Giving wrestle offs until the guy you want to win wins is a pretty standard tactic. Ask Bobby Douglas about it. If St. John wasn't the younger brother of a coach would he have gotten that wrestle off? I don't think he would have.

Amen and thank you.

 

[Bam bam]

If Jennings wanted the spot then he should have won at least one of the wrestle-offs to make the lineup. There wasn't enough body of work for either wrestler to name them the automatic starter. We all want a culture change as fans but then ***** about a kid losing 2 wrestle offs in one week and not getting the spot? Go out and earn it.

Dude, you seem to be deliberately missing the point, so Judoka broke it down for you. I acknowledged that Jennings lost his wrestle off fair and square. The question several of us have is, why did they wrestle off in the first place? Being supportive of culture change doesn't mean you can't and won't question some of the decisions along the way. Each person that commented on this thread has demonstrated excitement and support for the new staff via their comments on this board. You think Jennings' "body of work" is not sufficient to merit a start. I do. That's all. It's okay. We all hope St. John proves us wrong and lights it up in what remains of the season and support the decisions of this staff (that's the supportive part in case you didn't get that). Incidentally, I think I speak for all the dissenters on here when I say we reserve the right to question and discuss coaching decisions in the future.