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Tre4ISU

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Unfortunately for me, during the fall and spring the only time I can ever get to the store is about 9 o clock at night or on Sunday so I am forced into HyVee a lot of times. The people at ours are great, but Fareway is cheaper and there meat counter is so far above HyVee it isn't even funny.
 

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We buy a lot of food for a family of 5...

We get our Beef and Pork from a local locker. I usually buy about once a year.

We buy all our basics at Aldi's. Milk is always 20 cents a gallon less than Fareway and 40 to 50 cents a gallon less than everybody else. We go through 3 to 4 gallons a week. Most everything else pricewise works out that way in that store. Their produce section is generally not that good. Interesting you can buy some good European foods there from time to time(they are German owned).

What I can't find there I usually will find at Fareway. The one in Waterloo has a great produce section. It didn't use to be that way, but whoever their produce manager is now does a great job and keeps the selection fresh. Their meat section is fine(certainly superior to Wal Mart, Target, and Hy Vee)

Once in a while I'll shop at Target. Nice selection. The crowd is much better there than Wal Mart.

I used to be a Hyvee guy, but that was back in my single days when my disposable income was higher. I do buy most of my booze and beer at their local liquer store. Great selection.
 
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I do tip "barbettes" ladies at cost cutters. I don't tip for one beer either I usually wait till I get my 2nd. I never tip at dairy queen, they don't get less pay based on tips like a waitress. Yes I also think tip jars everywher are a racket, I'm gettn fired up just thinking about it!

Always tip on the first drink, trust me. You next ones will come a lot quicker.

The best meat you'll ever get is probably from a local meat locker but they all probably have their own practices of what they will actually sell you. Luckily my wife's family sends several home raised steers to the locker every year so every 2 years we buy a 1/4 of beef and usually wind up buying some extra steaks since you only get so much of each and I'd rather have more steaks than roasts. The ground beef is much better too, seems leaner and tastes better to me at least. The ground beef you get at the store is usually a mix of beef trimmings left over from what they cut and some pre-ground beef so their 80/85/90% lean etc. isn't usually that consistent based on what kind of trim they have in that tub.

As for pork, I don't really think there is much difference between stores, just have to be careful picking out stuff that looks fresh and is fairly lean.

One thing I will warn you on though are the seasoned "manager's special" deals you may see sometimes where they have usually some kind of BBQ or all purpose seasoning already on the meat usually at a discount price. A lot of times that is older meat about to go past shelf life and the season is covering up the color that shows that the meat is not exactly as fresh as the stuff that was just cut that day. Especially with pork, its covering up color that is looking more green than pink or with beef browning instead of red. It's not always that way, I know they sometimes season just for variety but take a close look before you buy something and look at the date on the price tag because usually if its seasoned and cheaper than the regular unseasoned cut it's older meat.

Agree on local meat lockers. If you go to a grocery store looking for the same quality as a locker, you will be disappointed. People, you live in Iowa. Find a family member or friend and get yourself some home grown beef or pork. The pork quality in the last 15 years has gone down dramatically because of the mass production and confinement. If you can find a family that still raises pigs try some pork from them. It is much better.

Clone52- do you tip everyone who has a tip jar? Second which fast food/coffee house do you work at so I can avoid it so you dont spit in my food?


I tip when I am provided a service and tipping is commonplace (restaraunts, bars etc) and as stated before I almost always tip 15-20% depending on the level of service.

Maybe I'm a jerk but i dont think that driving a bus full of people deserves a tip because I always handle my own luggage. Cabs cost a **** ton to begin with so I dont think they need MUCH of a tip but I usually leave a little.

I also dont think that someone who barely makes eye contact standing behind a counter and takes 2 seconds to pour my coffee or make a sandwich really deserves a tip.

I agree that some of those don't need a tip but I disagree on the cab drivers. They have a lot of responsibility and can get you to your destination much faster than you likely can if you are using a cab.

I do not get the Fareway experience. I think it's a huge scam, I think they are stuck in the 60"s and whatever you're gaining in price you are giving up more in quality and selection. I think it is a big step back into the past with little financial benefit. The meat counter is also a joke. Do you really think this is all a "fresh" meat counter because it's cramped with a bunch of high school kids with their fingers all over the meat and their cute butcher hats? I think it is really overrated. How much did you save a Fareway per trip? $2.00 or $2.57?
I think the big question is which executives are raking in the profits at Fareway? Just sayin. This is my opinion.

Take a poll. Fareway's meat is much better than HyVee.
 

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Best Meat - Fareway
Best Produce - Hy-Vee or Dahl's (depending on shipment day)

Cheapest Price on Groceries Overall - Wal-Mart.

No joke, I have a guy at work with four kids, and he's done the research overtime and everything. Comparing all the grocery stores, Wal-Mart beats them all in price, by 10-20%. It makes sense though, since Wal-Mart only needs to mark up their products by about fraction of a penny to make a profit on the overall store.
My years of grocery shopping experience sides with your analysis.
 

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For your info, one of the DM TV stations did a meat counter cleaniness test about 10 yrs ago, just after Fareway came into DM......Guess who won with the lowest bacteria count......FAREWAY.......HYVEE and the then other grocers in town, all now gone, all used packaged meats, already packaged from the meat supplier.......contaminated at the packing plant and sealed up at the plant.....bacteria grew even more

Fareway fresh cuts most all of their meats right in the store, why do you think HYVEE added fresh cut meats in most all stores when it was not the case before. Much less chance to be contaminated than prepacked meats from the packing house.

Hyvee had to address the freshness and bacteria issue raised by the TV station investigation.

So much for your opinion and lack of info about the grocery industry....Stay away from discussing profits and incomes of grocery stores I personally know HyVee managers who made a million a yr as Store Directors. Older mgrs under the original salary plan.......Most mgr today are salary + bonus or profit sharing if u want to call it that, but not as lucrative as the old plan.

In the past Fareway was slow to bring in new items compared to HyVee, mainly a function of Fareway having a smaller warehouse and only one warehouse compared to HyVee, with 2 warehouses......Hy Vee always will have a larger in store selection than Fareway......fareway is much more rooted in conservatism in design, size and selection of products.....cause every Fareway store is totally paid for by the corp before it opens......Not so with HyVee. Their bank in Chariton funded all construction, borrowing against the trust fund.


I spent 30 yrs calling on all the Grocery warehouse in the midwest, and I was a 7 yr HyVee employee, 4 yr fulltime during high school and college. I am retired now and maybe not totally uptodate with everything going on in the last 2 yrs, but your opinion is just that ....and not based upon any facts.

A reasons why HyVee stores operate different than Fareway, and are priced differently - each store director sets his/her own prices. The only prices set by corporate are Advertised prices, and every day low price items. HyVee was built on autonomy, and that will never change. Also, their are only two pay plans for HyVee managers - commission or salary. The only way a HyVee manager is on salary is when they open a new store, or go through a major remodel on their location, once the store becomes profitable, they are taken off salary. Therefore, if the store director is on commission and his/her store doesn't make money, they don't get paid. There is no salary + bonus plan for store directors as the poster lists above. I worked for store directors who didn't make money and didn't get a paycheck, it was not a lot of fun. As for buildings, HyVee doesn't own a majority of their stores, they are leased, so the store has to pay a landlord for the space. The bank in Chariton does not lend the money for the buidling of the stores and they don't borrow against the trust fund, again this is an incorrect statement by the original poster. The trust fund (retirement plan) hasn't existed for almost ten years, when it was changed to a 401(k), and is managed by Principal Financial not Midwest Heritage Bank. Basically what it comes down to is - every piece of equipment in a HyVee store is paid for by the corporation, and then charged back to the store. The store has to make enough money to payback corporate through sales and profits. Therefore, each store director has to run his/her store to make money. They do this hrough controlling expenses (labor, inventory, utilities, etc.) and pricing. Based on the market, if you can get a little more on some items, you do it, on others you take less. I am very familiar with this because I worked for HyVee for 16 years, and spent 11 years in Senior Level Management reporting directly to the store director. I was responsible for the profitability of five departments, and know a P&L statement pretty darn well. I also know the pricing pretty well and what it tales to make money. I also dealt with many vendors who thought they knew HyVee, but in all reality don't really know much. HyVee is privately held, and they rarely if ever tell you much at all about the company. Another member of my family retired from HyVee after 32 years in their corporate office as an executive staff member/stockholder. He worked directly with building new stores and remodels, and dealt with a lot of landlords and went to many stockholders meetings.

As for meat, you're crazy not to buy from a local meat locker. The quality is much better than any grocery store, and it has never left the building. There are many meat lockers around the DSM area - Winterset, Redfield, Indianola just to name a few. I had a whole hog butchered through the locker in Winterset, it is the best pork I've ever had, and much better than anything from the grocery store. I have a whole beef coming in the next week. I got to pick exactly what I wanted, the size of the steaks, roasts, number of pounds of ground beef, etc. I've worked with the DMACC farm on both the pork and beef, and the process has been a breeze.

I will shop at HyVee any day of the week over Fareway, and not just because I worked there for many years, but because of what they do for the community and the state. The Ames stores are huge supporters of Iowa State, and the company as a whole sponsors a ton of evernts, and gives money to charity. In DSM, they have sponsored three of the Honor Flights for WW II veterans, they do the HyVee kids fishing derby, support the DSM Barnstormers, gave $100,000 to the Earthquake victims in Haiti, and the list goes on. I don't ever see Fareway doing this, and they do nothing to suport ISU.
 

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A reasons why HyVee stores operate different than Fareway, and are priced differently - each store director sets his/her own prices. The only prices set by corporate are Advertised prices, and every day low price items. HyVee was built on autonomy, and that will never change. Also, their are only two pay plans for HyVee managers - commission or salary. The only way a HyVee manager is on salary is when they open a new store, or go through a major remodel on their location, once the store becomes profitable, they are taken off salary. Therefore, if the store director is on commission and his/her store doesn't make money, they don't get paid. There is no salary + bonus plan for store directors as the poster lists above. I worked for store directors who didn't make money and didn't get a paycheck, it was not a lot of fun. As for buildings, HyVee doesn't own a majority of their stores, they are leased, so the store has to pay a landlord for the space. The bank in Chariton does not lend the money for the buidling of the stores and they don't borrow against the trust fund, again this is an incorrect statement by the original poster. The trust fund (retirement plan) hasn't existed for almost ten years, when it was changed to a 401(k), and is managed by Principal Financial not Midwest Heritage Bank. Basically what it comes down to is - every piece of equipment in a HyVee store is paid for by the corporation, and then charged back to the store. The store has to make enough money to payback corporate through sales and profits. Therefore, each store director has to run his/her store to make money. They do this hrough controlling expenses (labor, inventory, utilities, etc.) and pricing. Based on the market, if you can get a little more on some items, you do it, on others you take less. I am very familiar with this because I worked for HyVee for 16 years, and spent 11 years in Senior Level Management reporting directly to the store director. I was responsible for the profitability of five departments, and know a P&L statement pretty darn well. I also know the pricing pretty well and what it tales to make money. I also dealt with many vendors who thought they knew HyVee, but in all reality don't really know much. HyVee is privately held, and they rarely if ever tell you much at all about the company. Another member of my family retired from HyVee after 32 years in their corporate office as an executive staff member/stockholder. He worked directly with building new stores and remodels, and dealt with a lot of landlords and went to many stockholders meetings.

As for meat, you're crazy not to buy from a local meat locker. The quality is much better than any grocery store, and it has never left the building. There are many meat lockers around the DSM area - Winterset, Redfield, Indianola just to name a few. I had a whole hog butchered through the locker in Winterset, it is the best pork I've ever had, and much better than anything from the grocery store. I have a whole beef coming in the next week. I got to pick exactly what I wanted, the size of the steaks, roasts, number of pounds of ground beef, etc. I've worked with the DMACC farm on both the pork and beef, and the process has been a breeze.

I will shop at HyVee any day of the week over Fareway, and not just because I worked there for many years, but because of what they do for the community and the state. The Ames stores are huge supporters of Iowa State, and the company as a whole sponsors a ton of evernts, and gives money to charity. In DSM, they have sponsored three of the Honor Flights for WW II veterans, they do the HyVee kids fishing derby, support the DSM Barnstormers, gave $100,000 to the Earthquake victims in Haiti, and the list goes on. I don't ever see Fareway doing this, and they do nothing to suport ISU.


And who do you think owns the leases? HyVee. It is not uncommon for a company to set up a different company to build and then lease back to themselves, the building and property of the store. You' re wrong about store Mgr salaries, I am sure I am older than you and I could name the manager with Corvette collection, and others who made their wealth in key DM stores and who made millions on the old plan.......I too, know managers who are still working for HyVee, not as managers,who had to pay back the draw salary they never made against commission. The pay plan I am sure has changed from the old days cause they don't need as much of a incentive as they did when the corp had 50 stores, when I worked for HyVee.

Another big difference in Fareway versus HyVee in the cost of groceries is when I callled on both, selling at the same cost to both warehouses, Fareway had no upcharge at the warehouse as did HyVee....Sometimes up to 6% added on to the original cost of the product,, so the retail price difference between the two stores reflected HyVee making a profit at the warehouse AND the store, where only the Fareway store made the profit, the warehouse didn't.


Just because Rick Jurgens, HyVee CEO is also a 1971 ISU grad doesn't mean squat in IOWA CITY.
It's good that HyVee supports ISU as much as they do but try finding out how much they support ISU in eastern Iowa or in Nebraska...come back and let us know, will you?
 
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My GF pretty much never shopped at Fareway until she began going with me. Now she doesn't want to shop anywhere else. The Fareway in Somerset is great.
You mean the Gilbert Fareway? No thanks, I try not to shop north of Bloomington.
 

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A reasons why HyVee stores operate different than Fareway, and are priced differently - each store director sets his/her own prices. The only prices set by corporate are Advertised prices, and every day low price items. HyVee was built on autonomy, and that will never change. Also, their are only two pay plans for HyVee managers - commission or salary. The only way a HyVee manager is on salary is when they open a new store, or go through a major remodel on their location, once the store becomes profitable, they are taken off salary. Therefore, if the store director is on commission and his/her store doesn't make money, they don't get paid. There is no salary + bonus plan for store directors as the poster lists above. I worked for store directors who didn't make money and didn't get a paycheck, it was not a lot of fun. As for buildings, HyVee doesn't own a majority of their stores, they are leased, so the store has to pay a landlord for the space. The bank in Chariton does not lend the money for the buidling of the stores and they don't borrow against the trust fund, again this is an incorrect statement by the original poster. The trust fund (retirement plan) hasn't existed for almost ten years, when it was changed to a 401(k), and is managed by Principal Financial not Midwest Heritage Bank. Basically what it comes down to is - every piece of equipment in a HyVee store is paid for by the corporation, and then charged back to the store. The store has to make enough money to payback corporate through sales and profits. Therefore, each store director has to run his/her store to make money. They do this hrough controlling expenses (labor, inventory, utilities, etc.) and pricing. Based on the market, if you can get a little more on some items, you do it, on others you take less. I am very familiar with this because I worked for HyVee for 16 years, and spent 11 years in Senior Level Management reporting directly to the store director. I was responsible for the profitability of five departments, and know a P&L statement pretty darn well. I also know the pricing pretty well and what it tales to make money. I also dealt with many vendors who thought they knew HyVee, but in all reality don't really know much. HyVee is privately held, and they rarely if ever tell you much at all about the company. Another member of my family retired from HyVee after 32 years in their corporate office as an executive staff member/stockholder. He worked directly with building new stores and remodels, and dealt with a lot of landlords and went to many stockholders meetings.

As for meat, you're crazy not to buy from a local meat locker. The quality is much better than any grocery store, and it has never left the building. There are many meat lockers around the DSM area - Winterset, Redfield, Indianola just to name a few. I had a whole hog butchered through the locker in Winterset, it is the best pork I've ever had, and much better than anything from the grocery store. I have a whole beef coming in the next week. I got to pick exactly what I wanted, the size of the steaks, roasts, number of pounds of ground beef, etc. I've worked with the DMACC farm on both the pork and beef, and the process has been a breeze.

I will shop at HyVee any day of the week over Fareway, and not just because I worked there for many years, but because of what they do for the community and the state. The Ames stores are huge supporters of Iowa State, and the company as a whole sponsors a ton of evernts, and gives money to charity. In DSM, they have sponsored three of the Honor Flights for WW II veterans, they do the HyVee kids fishing derby, support the DSM Barnstormers, gave $100,000 to the Earthquake victims in Haiti, and the list goes on. I don't ever see Fareway doing this, and they do nothing to suport ISU.

I walk into Hyvee and I just think overhead, overhead, overhead when I see all the people running around. Fareway isn't too much different. You go into Aldis and there are 3 maybe 4 people running the whole store and they do everything. I really think that's why they can keep their prices so low.

Granted their fresh produce and meats aren't that good, but I can go elsewhere for those items.
 

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I never said HyVee didn't control the leases, I said they lease the buildings they are in. The store I shop at is owned by Knapp Properties, the store at Southridge is owned by Macerich (who owns the mall), the store in Johnston is owned by a company from California, the Ankeny store is owned by Denny Elwell. the store I worked at in Cedar Rapids is owned by Macherich. As for managers pay - there are ONLY two pay plans - straight commission and salary. When I worked at a store where the director was on commission, if he got paid, we got a bonus, if he didn't get paid, we didn't get a bonus. The director I worked for who was on salary, the first quarter we made money and he was still on salary, we didn't get a bonus, once he went off the salary to commission, we started getting a bonus. Yes, they tweaked the pay plans, but there are only two ways a HyVee director can get paid. I worked for several very successful directors in DSM and CR, I know what kind of money they can make and lifestyles they live. I

As for supporting the college, that is done at the local level, not by corporate. All corporate does is cut the check and charge the stores. The individual store directors decide how they are going to advertise. In CR, we did promotions with Iowa, in DSM, we worked with Drake, in Ames, they support ISU. In Omaha, they do a lot with the Royals, Creighton and Nebby. The corporation doesn't control who a store director spends his/her adverting dollars with. Maybe if you would read - I said "The AMES stores are huge supporters of ISU." I don't ever recall mentioning anything about Iowa City. I guess I could always just go to my father who has been to every stockholders meeting and store directors meeting at HyVee for the past 30 years and ask him, but of course you would know more than him, because you were a vendor (probably the ones who always tried to tell us how to run a store) so you are an automatic authority, or I could ask my sister-in-law who's father reitred after after 30 years as a store director as ask him.
 
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I think you'd be surprised how little the mark-up is if you just stay in the aisles (non-frozen). From what I remember it averages out to be about 2-3%. I think this is pretty standard across grocery stores. Things may have changed in the last 15 years though but I doubt it. The only reason I remember this is because on my first day someone, ok it was me, broke a $2 bottle of pickles and the manager told me that they would have to sell $100 worth of groceries to make up for it. I thought he was kidding at the time but later I found this was true.
On somethings their only making 2-3%, but on others they are making upwards of 20-25%. Do you think that they are only making 2-3% on the items that are on the end caps of every aisle? Why do you suppose those items are on the end where its easier for everyone to find them? I'm not saying its wrong, just that you would be surprised if you knew what Dahls or Fareway were charging for the same item at the same wholesale cost that Hy-Vee was getting.
 

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On somethings their only making 2-3%, but on others they are making upwards of 20-25%. Do you think that they are only making 2-3% on the items that are on the end caps of every aisle? Why do you suppose those items are on the end where its easier for everyone to find them? I'm not saying its wrong, just that you would be surprised if you knew what Dahls or Fareway were charging for the same item at the same wholesale cost that Hy-Vee was getting.


If you read my original posts you'll realize that I actually did price comparisons for Hy-Vee while I worked there so I am aware of the the price differences. Hy-Vee make the majority of there money in their departments like produce, meat, meat/cheese, seafood, bakery, deli, non food, etc.

Also to respond to the person about store managers, yes they can make a ton of money and you'd be surprised which stores make the money. I worked at the Indianola store before it became big and I'd say on the Urbandale store director made more in the metro. Those small stores were cash cows. I think they are told not to flaunt their wealth but many of them have multiple homes and retire early even though they drive around in pickup trucks like Sam Walton.
 

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If you read my original posts you'll realize that I actually did price comparisons for Hy-Vee while I worked there so I am aware of the the price differences. Hy-Vee make the majority of there money in their departments like produce, meat, meat/cheese, seafood, bakery, deli, non food, etc.

Also to respond to the person about store managers, yes they can make a ton of money and you'd be surprised which stores make the money. I worked at the Indianola store before it became big and I'd say on the Urbandale store director made more in the metro. Those small stores were cash cows. I think they are told not to flaunt their wealth but many of them have multiple homes and retire early even though they drive around in pickup trucks like Sam Walton.
Sorry.. Didn't see your first post. I use to sell to metro grocery stores in one of the areas that you mentioned, so I too am aware of the price differences between companies. I just never understood why the largest grocer in the state had to charge more than its smaller competitors when getting the same price.
 

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Sorry.. Didn't see your first post. I use to sell to metro grocery stores in one of the areas that you mentioned, so I too am aware of the price differences between companies. I just never understood why the largest grocer in the state had to charge more than its smaller competitors when getting the same price.


Larger profit :)
 

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On somethings their only making 2-3%, but on others they are making up wards of 20-25%. Do you think that they are only making 2-3% on the items that are on the end caps of every aisle? Why do you suppose those items are on the end where its easier for everyone to find them? I'm not saying its wrong, just that you would be surprised if you knew what Dahls or Fareway were charging for the same item at the same wholesale cost that Hy-Vee was getting.
That's the rub with HyVee...I've seen 50 cents and higher difference on identical items between HyVee and Fareway cause the HyVee was greedy or never did price comparisons correctly.

The Grocery industry used to quote a 1 % profit on average for grocery stores, they may or may not have been accurate, the truth is, you have to look at the volume of grocery sales, mega millions spent on groceries, and oh, I forgot to mention, the 1% profit is after all the bills are paid like leases, light, heat, salaries, etc on probably the most stable business there is.........We all eat


Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike HyVee, I just understand the differences and different roles HyVee has taken versus what Fareway has done.

The ax I do have to grind against HyVee corp is the way the previous CEO, the one who always fingered his diamond ring as he talked on TV and massive ego, ran off many, many Asst mgrs by squeezing more work out of them till they broke and left HyVee....There was a time when the store expansion was slower, and the HyVee corp went back and tried to squeeze more out of each store, across the board. How do I know? lots of good Asst Mgrs I had known suddenly went to work for food brokers that I then saw at various food show around the Midwest. I talked to them and they were candid with me cause we had had always a good relatiuonship.....They just got tired of working to death for not as much money and lack of foreseeable upward promotions.

Fareway has always tried to be just economical food distribution, whereas HyVee has tried to give people what they want, more one stop shopping.......You just have to justify that you are going to pay for those extra services cause they come at a price.

Oh, And I saw a former retired HyVee co worker of mine and a current HyVee worker both shopping where I do last week.....at a Fareway.........for better prices and better meat. And no, I didn't go to HyVee to pick up my dry cleaning....LOL
 
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Once again, you can't lump all stores into one. Prices are different at every Hy-Vee, I know this for a fact. Comparing Fareway to Hy-Vee is like comparing Wal-Mart to Target. Each has a certain type of customer. There is also a lot of difference between the smaller old school hy-vee and the big ones.


I agree with what you said about assistant managers and below. They expect you to work your *** off for not that much money. The only thing that keeps those people there is that they think that some day they will be a director and make a mint. I think working at a place like HV is a good place for young people. It will make you really appreciate your non-retail type job. I nearly want to cry when I hear recent grads complain about working at places like Wells Fargo and Principal. My last year at Hy-Vee:

Didn't get paid OT because I was management (not really)

Worked every single holiday for a whole year except Christmas day, because we were closed

Switched between first and 2nd shift every other week

Never had a whole weekend off

Nearly got stabbed at the E Euclid HV

Had to send employees home early to cut costs. Guess who then does their job?


And that last year was one of my best years at HV. Don't ask me about the time I was night stock manager.