They can't both carry the football at the same time. The days of two-feature-back sets are long gone.
Early 2012 Big 12 power rankings
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They can't both carry the football at the same time. The days of two-feature-back sets are long gone.
Usually I think these lists can go a number of different ways, but not this one.
ISU only makes sense as the #8 pick, and #6 and #7 could be teams that deserves to be ranked.
There's no reason to put KU or Tech above ISU and no reason to put ISU above any of the others. Even if RGIII doesn't come back, Baylor has enough talent on offense to put them above ISU until ISU beats them.
The real argument are spots 1-6, 7-10 are pretty clear.
ISU only makes sense as the #8 pick, and #6 and #7 could be teams that deserves to be ranked.
There's no reason to put KU or Tech above ISU and no reason to put ISU above any of the others. Even if RGIII doesn't come back, Baylor has enough talent on offense to put them above ISU until ISU beats them.
The real argument are spots 1-6, 7-10 are pretty clear.
That simply isn't true at all.
-Bama in 09' with Trent Richardson and Mark Ingram
-Arkansas Darren McFadden and Felix Jones in 07'
-Christine Michael and Cyrus Gray this last 09'-11' for A&M
-Wisconsin's James White, Montee Ball and John Clay in 10'-11'
-Texas' Malcolm Brown, Johnathan Gray and Joe Bergeron 12'--14'
I see a pattern.......
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Baylor is living in delusion land if they think somehow that they are going to write the ship in 12' with the losses of RGIII, Kendall Wright, and Terrance Ganaway. Reality will be harsh for Baylor.
Um.... let me know next time you see two running backs carrying the ball upfield together like some kind of varsity potato sack race.
Ok, that just sounds so stupid. So Gray and Brown won't get enough touches unless they "carry the ball upfield together like some kind of varsity potato sack race"? Sometimes they will be in the same backfield and sometimes they won't. They will get their carries! Your suggestion is just silly with all of the evidence to support the opposite. By the way, in 2010 Harsin had two great running backs while at Boise in Doug Martin (Paul Hornung Award) and Jeremy Avery (Doak Walker Award finalist); Both carried the rock plenty of times. Should I keep going?
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I don't see how you all think we're getting disrespected when Ubben clearly said that we're a good team that is victim to a football conference as deep as any in the country. The highest you could reasonably put us is 7th, which isn't exactly something you shoot for in the pre-season.
The defense will play well enough to put the offense in winnable situations. The problem is that the offense hasn't shown the ability to execute consistently at those times. I'm encouraged by the comments by Rhoads and Messingham as far as execution goes, but it's hard to say we'll be in the conversation with those top six teams.
The defense will play well enough to put the offense in winnable situations. The problem is that the offense hasn't shown the ability to execute consistently at those times. I'm encouraged by the comments by Rhoads and Messingham as far as execution goes, but it's hard to say we'll be in the conversation with those top six teams.
Slow down there big fella and go back and read what I originally wrote, which was "the days of two-feature-back sets are long gone." A set is a formation. A play. I didn't say that teams didn't have two feature backs on their rosters. I said they don't put them on the field at the same time.
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You do realize Iowa State had 4 running backs this year, and they all saw significant time, right? Duck had 31 carries, Shontrelle had 51 carries in four games, Woody has 90 carries, and White had 159. Even Jared Barnett had 104 and Jantz had 84. When you play in a conference where almost everybody runs 70-100 plays per game, you find out there's more than plenty of time for two very good backs to get carries.
Texas A&M almost had two 1,000 yard rushers this year. I never saw A&M have both guys holding on to the ball like they were rushing it to an emergency room, as you seem to suggest is the only way to have two running backs contribute.
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A quick google search yielded images of 5 different teams using the Diamond formation.
Everyone knows Brown and Gray can't carry the ball at the same time. I get it. But it almost sounded like you were suggesting that neither Gray nor Brown will get enough "carries" because they wont be in the back field at the same time; As if they have to be in the same backfield to be able to carry the ball. What your saying just doesn't make sense.
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"Jared Barnett has more upside" Proved right there that he didn't know what he was talking about.
I ultimately think the qb position will take care of itself, but our dline has to have significant improvement for us to contend for the upper echelon of the conference. After the first few games where we blew some coverages (Texas game anyone?), we consistently had awesome back 7 defensive play get sabotaged by our ineffective defensive line. They couldn't get consistent pressure and were too easily blown off the line on running plays. The Baylor game was particularly brutal with 3 yard wide gashes opening up about as soon as they snapped the ball.
Losing Johnson in the secondary will hurt, but the defense could be really good if we simply become average at the line of scrimmage. If the defense is good this team will win a lot of games.
Losing Johnson in the secondary will hurt, but the defense could be really good if we simply become average at the line of scrimmage. If the defense is good this team will win a lot of games.
I get what you are saying here, but ISU won a lot of close games too.
I'd put them above Tech for sure. I have no clue of the talent that Baylor has behind those studs that are leaving, so I can't really say if they should be above them or not. Texas should be better if they can get some quality QB play.
You can't reasonably expect Iowa State to win nine games. They got blown out by every good team they played except Oklahoma State.
Did you ever see this formation this year? This was often run with a mobile QB, a fullback and two tailbacks.
