Does the Pollard story change the FB situation?

[ameslurker]

I know it doesn't directly change anything on the field, but if Pollard was originally thinking about firing CPR after the season, does anything change with the Hoiberg story breaking? My thought is this: He already has CPR here. He's already shown loyalty to him. He seems to have a good working relationship with him (although that doesn't mean a whole lot now). Maybe he tries to ride the CPR train a little bit longer to get things straightened out on AND off the field with someone who trusts him.

However, with the results on the field, it's not surprising to want CPR to go. If he does fire him do you think it would be more difficult to get a decent coach here? It's already hard enough at ISU, is this something potential coaches would think/worry about as long as Pollard is here?

For the record, I'm not entirely sure what I think of firing CPR after this season. Thinking of this makes it a little bit harder, probably because I wasn't sure what I wanted. I know it's a weird thought and probably doesn't have much merit but I wante to get CFs opinion about it.

 

[im4cyru]

Why would it, could it, should it?

 

[LPC]

David Beaty was a OC at a non power 5 school and a position coach at a Top 25 school. He is making 1/2 to 1/3 of any other coach in the Big 12, has approximately 65 scholarship players and is at a school that is continuously the worst or 2nd worst in the Big 12. And he still jumped at the KU job.

I have no doubt that we're not going to get the same candidates other schools will get, but lets not make like we'd have to hire an FCS coach or a .500 MAC coach.

 

[GT25Ump]

Personally, I don't think this story will play any major part in determining if CPR is let go or not. I figure it's more about WINS and what the major donors want to see happen....and of course, the finances involved in possibly paying off CPR and then having to find and pay for a new coach.

 

[ISUCubswin]

The Hines article will be a forgotten issue by mid October.

Should have 0 impact on decisions made for the football program.

 

[laminak]

CPR needs to go if he doesn't get at least five wins, with one being a decent upset. Many will state six and a bowl game, however we're coming back from two dismal years, so I think five wins keeps his job.

Rhoads finding four more wins on a Big 12 schedule will be very difficult and probably won't happen.

So the silver lining on the hit piece is that many eyes will be watching JP if (when) CPR doesn't get to at least five wins and he has the choice of firing/retaining CPR and if firing, who to replace him.

 

[CycloneErik]

Probably adds 6 or 7 wins to our season.

 

[ameslurker]

I was thinking if a coach was offered the ISU job they may turn it down because if the AD is 'nickel and diming' expenses I'd be afraid of what may happen. Yes, I know what he did for the SEZ and the football program in general, but it still may be a thought that sticks in the back of someone's head before coming here.

 

[Spam]

David Beaty was a OC at a non power 5 school and a position coach at a Top 25 school. He is making 1/2 to 1/3 of any other coach in the Big 12, has approximately 65 scholarship players and is at a school that is continuously the worst or 2nd worst in the Big 12. And he still jumped at the KU job.

I have no doubt that we're not going to get the same candidates other schools will get, but lets not make like we'd have to hire an FCS coach or a .500 MAC coach.

I would hope we get someone with a better resume than Beaty

 

[CycloneErik]

I was thinking if a coach was offered the ISU job they may turn it down because if the AD is 'nickel and diming' expenses I'd be afraid of what may happen. Yes, I know what he did for the SEZ and the football program in general, but it still may be a thought that sticks in the back of someone's head before coming here.

If they have doubts coming here, they'll be along the lines of "This better work, or my career is dead."

 

[Spam]

I know it doesn't directly change anything on the field, but if Pollard was originally thinking about firing CPR after the season, does anything change with the Hoiberg story breaking? My thought is this: He already has CPR here. He's already shown loyalty to him. He seems to have a good working relationship with him (although that doesn't mean a whole lot now). Maybe he tries to ride the CPR train a little bit longer to get things straightened out on AND off the field with someone who trusts him.

However, with the results on the field, it's not surprising to want CPR to go. If he does fire him do you think it would be more difficult to get a decent coach here? It's already hard enough at ISU, is this something potential coaches would think/worry about as long as Pollard is here?

For the record, I'm not entirely sure what I think of firing CPR after this season. Thinking of this makes it a little bit harder, probably because I wasn't sure what I wanted. I know it's a weird thought and probably doesn't have much merit but I wante to get CFs opinion about it.

No it does not. The events of this week temporarily took the heat off Rhoads. But Rhoads should be able to bring the heat right back on himself with a couple of characteristic performances

 

[ameslurker]

If they have doubts coming here, they'll be along the lines of "This better work, or my career is dead."

I don't know why but I laughed out loud at this. Not in a Haha thats funny way, but a Haha that's so true kind of way.

 

[Judoka]

I would hope we get someone with a better resume than Beaty

That's why I always bristle a bit at the "ISU is the toughest P5 job in the country!" line. Coaching ISU isn't even the toughest coaching job in the conference. Is it one of the tougher P5 jobs? Yeah. But toughest? No, there's a couple jobs in every conference that are comparable.

 

[Judoka]

I don't know why but I laughed out loud at this. Not in a Haha thats funny way, but a Haha that's so true kind of way.

Not at all. Coaching in Ames hasn't been a death sentence career wise for anyone. In fact, we have a terrible tendency to lose coaches who go on and become very successful elsewhere.

 

[CycloneErik]

Not at all. Coaching in Ames hasn't been a death sentence career wise for anyone. In fact, we have a terrible tendency to lose coaches who go on and become very successful elsewhere.

Not head coaches in the last 3 decades.

 

[Judoka]

Not head coaches in the last 3 decades.

Chizik's time in Ames certainly didn't hurt his career.

 

[Clark]

Not head coaches in the last 3 decades.

well, one was able to pay...er coach a national title team.

 

[GT25Ump]

I was thinking if a coach was offered the ISU job they may turn it down because if the AD is 'nickel and diming' expenses I'd be afraid of what may happen. Yes, I know what he did for the SEZ and the football program in general, but it still may be a thought that sticks in the back of someone's head before coming here.

Hmm, take the word of "unnamed sources" that the ISU program is cheap, or look at all of the improvements that have been made to the stadium and other areas of the program....all clear as day and very factual and obvious, unlike a certain reporter and who he talks to. Let alone the fan support for a program that has struggled for years? Uh, I don't think the poorly written articles of Travis Hines has that much influence.

 

[CycloneErik]

Chizik's time in Ames certainly didn't hurt his career.

So one case with a truckload if extenuating circumstances changes the rest.

 

[Judoka]

So one case with a truckload if extenuating circumstances changes the rest.

We've had four head coaches since Criner got fired.

Walden: Left coaching. Debatable whether his record at ISU was the problem or if he was just a bad coach and got out.
McCarney: After ISU stayed in coaching and is a head coach elsewhere now. Being at ISU didn't hurt his career, he got opportunities afterwords. At worst you could say the time he spent at ISU could have been better spent elsewhere.
Chizik: Left ISU for one of the top jobs in the country, won a national championship and coach of the year awards, then flamed out. ISU most certainly didn't hurt his career.
Rhoads: To soon to tell, but once he is fired he'll have other opportunities. Like McCarney, you could say the time he spent at ISU could have been better spent elsewhere, but it isn't going to hurt him.