Do you think we can get Floyd to come back??

[MelMel]

Except without Tinsley, LE is worse record wise than Mac.

The first year he had a terrible team with Fizer and a bunch of scrubs, which was not his fault. So you want to throw out half of the other 4 seasons when he was coach? Including the two with the best player in school history that he himself brought? Really smart point!

Also he has coached DI basketball for 18 years, and has won 6 conference championships, so yeah, his record is exactly like Mac and his zero conference championships without Tinsley.

Really smart post, keep these coming, you don't sound like a complete idiot at all.

 

[Final42b]

You have no clue what you are talking about. He had problems but recruiting was not one of them.

ALL THE FOLLOWING COMMITTED TO ISU IN ONLY 5 YEARS WHILE HE WAS COACH:

Jamaal Tinsley
Kantrail Horton
Tyray Pearson
Jake Sullivan
Jared Homan
Jackson Vroman
Tim Barnes
Curtis Stinson
Will Blaylock
Adam Haluska
Shane Power
Damien Staple
Tim Barnes
Ernest Brown


If you you think that list isn't extremely impressive in only a 5 year period at a school like ISU then you need to stop posting anything on ISU basketball because you have absolutely ZERO credibility and are just wasting everyones time with incredibly stupid opinions.

Well a lot of those recruits were beacuse of morgan, but ya he was underrated as a recruiter.

 

[bellzisu]

You have no clue what you are talking about. He had problems but recruiting was not one of them.

ALL THE FOLLOWING COMMITTED TO ISU IN ONLY 5 YEARS WHILE HE WAS COACH:

Jamaal Tinsley-- was only brought in after Hinrich decided to go to Kansas after Floyd left.
Kantrail Horton-- Was this LE or Floyd???
Tyray Pearson- 1 good year???
Jake Sullivan
Jared Homan
Jackson Vroman
Tim Barnes-- Added Twice???
Curtis Stinson-- Morgan recruit
Will Blaylock-- Morgan recruit
Adam Haluska--Transfered after 1 year couldn't play for Eustachy
Shane Power-- Transfered after 1 year while Eustachy was there amid rumors
Damien Staple-- Didn't amount to much
Tim Barnes-- Never amounted to much, everyone's next Tinsley
Ernest Brown-- Ummmm why don't I remember him


If you you think that list isn't extremely impressive in only a 5 year period at a school like ISU then you need to stop posting anything on ISU basketball because you have absolutely ZERO credibility and are just wasting everyones time with incredibly stupid opinions.

His staff has alot to do with that... Don't kid yourself. He didn't pull them "himself", it's all about who you have beside you. Like it or not Wayne got a few of those.

 

[GMackey32]

People, just stop all ready. Pollard will not fire Coach McDermott mid-season. Tim Floyd is only loyal to himself and himself only. LE benefited from Tim Floyd's players (which probably were recruited illegally, from the whole USC fallout). Johnny Orr is long retired. And lastly, we don't have a rich tradition of basketball history. We've made 1 final four (1944), and 1 elite eight (99-00). Making the sweet sixteen a handful of times doesn't constitute as a "rich basketball tradition".

With that being said, if we turn over 2 coaches in a matter of 4 years, we will not get anybody worthy to come coach here. Guess what? The Iowa State Men's Basketball head coach position isn't a glamorous one as of right now because of people like you. Constantly ripping our coaches and players just because you expect us to be "elite" year in and year out will make coaching candidates and players not want to come here.

I'm guessing the number of people that are completely negative about Coach McDermott on here were the same people that called for Coach Mac's head when Pollard fired him, and then after the Chizik fallout, were professing you're love for Coach Mac again.

A true fan supports his school no matter what. I'm proud to be a Cyclone, even though times have been rough as of late. But guess what, I still supported the football team through the Walden, Mac, Chizik, and Rhoads era, no matter how good or bad we were. The same goes with basketball with the Orr, Floyd, LE, Morgan, and McDermott eras, and all of the other Cyclone athletic programs.

Everyone that is so negative about our school, our coaching staff, our players, etc., makes me sick. Why don't you just stop being a fan and go support Iowa and be fair-weathered with all of their fans. If you're going to come on here week in and week out and b****, do us a favor and just stop being a fan. We don't need you.

 

[IcSyU]

The first year he had a terrible team with Fizer and a bunch of scrubs, which was not his fault. So you want to throw out half of the other 4 seasons when he was coach? Including the two with the best player in school history that he himself brought? Really smart point!

Also he has coached DI basketball for 18 years, and has won 6 conference championships, so yeah, his record is exactly like Mac and his zero conference championships without Tinsley.

Really smart post, keep these coming, you don't sound like a complete idiot at all.

Years 2 and 3 were HUGE outliers. HUGE. If his recruiting was that great, we shouldn't have fallen off the map in years 4 and 5. Great athletes can cover up crappy coaching, and Tinsley and Fizer were both great. If he was a great coach, we don't go from 25-6 (13-3) to 12-19 (4-12) in one season, and then stay down at 17-14 (5-11) in year 5. This isn't stupid, this is all facts.

Right now he's a .500 coach at SMU, and we have a .500 coach at ISU, what exactly do we gain? Nothing. Sounds like you have a case of revisionist history.

 

[CycloneErik]

FYI for all of you that want a coach who is animated on the sidelines. Fred Hoiberg may even be less animated than GMac.

Not saying he can't coach, but you won't see Freddy running back and forth screaming at the refs or his players either. He is very level headed.

We thought that about Ryne Sandberg until he became a manager.:wideeyed:

 

[bellzisu]

The first year he had a terrible team with Fizer and a bunch of scrubs, which was not his fault. So you want to throw out half of the other 4 seasons when he was coach? Including the two with the best player in school history that he himself brought? Really smart point!

Also he has coached DI basketball for 18 years, and has won 6 conference championships, so yeah, his record is exactly like Mac and his zero conference championships without Tinsley.

Really smart post, keep these coming, you don't sound like a complete idiot at all.

Ok... Lets get all the facts out here..... Because after the 2 great years we had 1 terrible year and one 17-14 season.

LE

Idaho- 61-33 1 season conference title 0 tourneys
Utah State- 98-53 3 conference titles 1 Nit, 1 NCAA
Iowa State- 101-59 2 titles, 2 NCAA, 1 Nit,
Southern Miss- 74-74 0 tourneys
Overall- 334- 219

With Tinsley-- 57-11
W/O-- 44-48

Greg McDermott

Wayne State- 115-53 1 conference title
NDSU- 15-11
UNI- 90-63 3 NCAAs, 1 Missouri Valley Tourney Title
ISU- 55-54
Overall- 276-181

Summary.... While you thought someone was crazy for saying he had a worse record without Tinsley, as you can see the person is correct. Although, we did have 2 GREAT years. Plus before LE was fired the team looked to be rising again with Stinson and crew.

After the alcohol problems no matter how you dice it, either LE isn't as good of a coach with Southern Miss, or he doesn't have great assistants around him.

I hate this ******* match, but lets make it simple. LE would come back, but they would never bring him back. Floyd will never come back. Hoiberg has a cushy job, and Hornecek shows no interest at all in coaching.

Plus 2.5 million dollars.

 

[nj829]

I thought Morgan was only around for a year under LE?

 

[marothisu]

I thought Morgan was only around for a year under LE?

Correct, he joined the ISU coaching staff in July of 2002 and then in May of 2003 he was named the head coach of the team.

 

[MontyBurns]

With that being said, if we turn over 2 coaches in a matter of 4 years, we will not get anybody worthy to come coach here.

Sure we will -- just give them a guaranteed nine year contract and announce that their job is safe because every one of their first 3, 4, or 5 years on the job is considered their first year. :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

Seriously, that type of deal is what we're going to have to give any solid coaching candidate in any sport to come to ISU, given Jamie's track record.

 

[herbicide]

Who do you know that is close to the situation, oh that's right, no one. Anybody can read a blog and take it for truth.

Maybe I do have a source or two...

Anybody can also read beyond the headline of a story and put 2 + 2 together.

 

[kingcy]

Did we have this same thread after the Duke game? We still have a coach and like it or not that coach will be coaching this team next year unless he steps down or pulls a Steve A.

 

[bellzisu]

Sure we will -- just give them a guaranteed nine year contract and announce that their job is safe because every one of their first 3, 4, or 5 years on the job is considered their first year. :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

Seriously, that type of deal is what we're going to have to give any solid coaching candidate in any sport to come to ISU, given Jamie's track record.

Go Away troll... Gene was a hot choice at the time.... Also, how is that Paul Rhoads doing??? I think he is a solid coaching candidate that is working out here.

Jackson seems to be guiding the ship good in wrestling after Cael chized us.

McDermott was a good choice in all honesty. Alot of booster wanted him as our coach. It just didn't work out.

So.... please leave Dr.Hibbard. Hawkeyenation is lost without you.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Go Away troll... Gene was a hot choice at the time.... Also, how is that Paul Rhoads doing??? I think he is a solid coaching candidate that is working out here.

Jackson seems to be guiding the ship good in wrestling after Cael chized us.

McDermott was a good choice in all honesty. Alot of booster wanted him as our coach. It just didn't work out.

So.... please leave Dr.Hibbard. Hawkeyenation is lost without you.

There is no room here for rational thinking.

 

[bellzisu]

There is no room here for rational thinking.

Something that escapes Dr.Hibbard.. I mean Monte.

 

[ruxCYtable]

No, he is accused of doing that.

The only evidence of it is the accusation.

Guilty until proven innocent?

Mayo's handler said it was Tim Floyd who personally handed him the wad of cash and he was shocked Floyd himself showed up to do it. Very shortly thereafter, Floyd was gone. I'd say that's pretty damning evidence that, as far as I know, TF has never tried to dispute. If he did, I never heard.

 

[MelMel]

His staff has alot to do with that... Don't kid yourself. He didn't pull them "himself", it's all about who you have beside you. Like it or not Wayne got a few of those.

Thats how recruiting works with every program in the country. People who act like the head coach is not responsible for hiring their assistants are extremely naive and have no clue how college sports work at all.

 

[MelMel]

Years 2 and 3 were HUGE outliers. HUGE. If his recruiting was that great, we shouldn't have fallen off the map in years 4 and 5. Great athletes can cover up crappy coaching, and Tinsley and Fizer were both great. If he was a great coach, we don't go from 25-6 (13-3) to 12-19 (4-12) in one season, and then stay down at 17-14 (5-11) in year 5. This isn't stupid, this is all facts.

Right now he's a .500 coach at SMU, and we have a .500 coach at ISU, what exactly do we gain? Nothing. Sounds like you have a case of revisionist history.

Sounds like you are totally clueless. He has won 6 conference titles in 18 years. That is a great coach, period. Your original statement was to throw out two of the years he was here which is completely ridiculous, just like most of your posts and logic. I can list great coach after great coach who haven't won that many conference titles at schools with traditions that are extremely better than Iowa State, Utah State and Idaho in that time frame. People who think he was only great because of Tinsley are clueless.

 

[Clonebydesign]

stupid, just stupid

 

[ketelmeister]

If Fred were GM, they would be better off. He fought to keep Mayo and McHale traded for Love, an undersized guy who can't jump. The new GM kept Fred, that says a lot for his ability.