Yep! A pile of turkey in a pan, slice of easily melted cheese (Muenster or gouda). Butter a hamburger bun & toast it while the cheese melts.
Mmmm. Haven't done that in awhile.
Deli meat listeria outbreak
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Mmmm. Haven't done that in awhile.
I clicked on the CDC link and, oof, they don't know anything, do they? I figured they'd have lot XYZ of ___poultry processed at _____. Nope. Yer on yer own folks!
All meat starts with a bacteria load that is reduced significantly, but tyically not eliminated, by cooking to specific internal temperatures and holding there for a proper amount of time. The residual bacteria will grow and depending on temperatures flourish even after being cooked, If the meat sliced ahead of your own has an excessive bacteria load it will be transferred to anything sliced afterward.
High Pressure Processing after packaging ruptures pathogen cell walls and is particularly effective against listeria, e-coli, and salmonella.
High Pressure Processing after packaging ruptures pathogen cell walls and is particularly effective against listeria, e-coli, and salmonella.
RIP Finny. He had a good run.I had turkey for lunch from Hyvee
This is largely why its a problem.
Bacterial load on any processed meat is already inherently there. Nothing you can really do about it.
Wait until everyone finds out that 95% of the cells in their body are bacterial cells.
Then lay this on them.
Fecal Transplant
A fecal transplant is a procedure that transplants healthy gut bacteria via donor stool to a patient suffering from recurring infections with Clostridium difficile.
I had a science teacher in high school warn us about the dangers of cold cuts. Every since then I throw deli meats in a frying pan for a few minutes.
So my takeaway is buy packaged deli meat, not counter sliced deli meat? Am I doing this right?
Not really. Sorry to burst your bubble, but packaged meat carries a similar risk, it's just not implicated in this outbreak.
Speaking of sandwiches, this is top-tier way to use up tomatoes in the summer: https://pinchofyum.com/trader-joes-sun-dried-tomato-focaccia-turkey-sandwich. Did this with honey turkey from Hy-Vee, fresh garden tomatoes, pesto mayo and lettuce on bread from Gateway Market a couple times last week and it was perfect.
Is this worth worrying about? 28 people sick out of how many millions of people that have eaten deli meat over the last 1-2 weeks?
Are your odds of having an issue literally 1 in a million? Or is it more common than that?
Are your odds of having an issue literally 1 in a million? Or is it more common than that?
Do you have any info or can point in any direction any documentation for the high pressure processing? I’m not directly related to the industry but deal with the food/disease prevention industry.
Neither honestly.
Like, processed and pre-packaged sliced meat isn't implicated in this outbreak at this time. Per what I can find on the CDC. So it is important to me to note that listeriosis in the current discussion is not tied to that product.
With that said. Listeriosis is still common across the board in any deli meat, and its the primary reason why the CDC recommends all at risk people avoid sliced meat that hasn't been heated to 165 degrees. key groups they recommend avoiding sliced meat (Deli or packaged) are 65+, immuno compromised, and pregnant women.
Yes, I understand you're saying pre-packaged isn't included in this outbreak. But that guy's post seems to suggest the processing of the pre-packaged stuff protects pretty effectively against listeria - so you're saying that's false? That's not to say it's impossible to get it in pre-packaged, but effective to me means very unlikely (especially considering how unlikely it already is in any deli meat).
my understanding of the process is that the packaging part does decrease the risk due to the addition of preservatives/buffers to reduce bioload and inhibit growth and the higher level of scrutiny over a large scale manufacturing environment compared to a food prep environment.
With all of that said, mitigation of risk =/= absence of risk. Any deli meat has a level of risk, especially since it is not traditionally cooked prior to consumption.
