DC Extended Universe

[coolerifyoudid]

Agree 100% but Justice League was set up to fail.

You can't do a comic book team up movie where you are introducing multiple heroes as well as a villain. It just doesn't work. We'd never seen Aquaman, Flash, or Cyborg. People know who the flash is but Aquaman and especially Cyborg are entirely new characters to a lot of people.

When the first Avengers movie came out, We'd had two Iron Man movies, a Captain America movie, and a Thor movie. Black Widow was introduced in Iron Man 2, Hawkeye in Thor, and ostensibly the bad guy in Loki in Thor. We had seen every major player in the movie in a prior movie. Coming in cold and having to introduce all of those characters makes the movie be 3-4 hours to make any sense.

Those are really good points. It makes you wonder how JL would have fared had we already had Flash, Wonder Woman and Aquaman solo movies. They could have had end credit scenes with Batman sitting in the Flash's apartment, Bruce Wayne landing his private jet in Iceland, Batman looking at Hall of Justice blueprints, etc

They could have still introduced Cyborg (I dont think a Cyborg solo movie would have done well) and brought back Superman in JL, but it wouldn't have felt like such an exposition-fest had the other members already been in play.

 

[3GenClone]

Superman is being rebooted for the big screen. JJ Abrams will produce and Ta-Nehisi Coates will write the movie. No word if Cavill is coming back.

Coates is a New York Times best-selling author and also wrote Marvel's Black Panther comic run from 2016-2017, which was the inspiration behind the MCU Black Panther movie.

Superman Movie Reboot Coming From Ta-Nehisi Coates and JJ Abrams

Just days after the premiere of Superman & Lois did huge numbers for The CW, it’s finally official: JJ Abrams is working on a new Superman movie. After years of rumors to that effect, WarnerMedia has finally made it official, as Abrams will produce a new Superman feature film written by...

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[BuffettClone]

Superman is being rebooted for the big screen. JJ Abrams will produce and Ta-Nehisi Coates will write the movie. No word if Cavill is coming back.

Coates is a New York Times best-selling author and also wrote Marvel's Black Panther comic run from 2016-2017, which was the inspiration behind the MCU Black Panther movie.

Superman Movie Reboot Coming From Ta-Nehisi Coates and JJ Abrams

Just days after the premiere of Superman & Lois did huge numbers for The CW, it’s finally official: JJ Abrams is working on a new Superman movie. After years of rumors to that effect, WarnerMedia has finally made it official, as Abrams will produce a new Superman feature film written by...

comicbook.com

This is part of the reason I have been drawn to Marvel way more than DC movies, there's no continuity in DC. They're already rebooting Batman, they're releasing two versions of the same movie and now plan to reboot Superman. I hate to say this because individually, Superman and Batman are my favorite all-time super heroes, but I'm close to just being done with DC movies. It takes effort to get excited about any news coming out about it.

 

[3GenClone]

There's a high probability that there will be a cheaper, ad-supported version HBO Max later this year.

“It turns out that most people on this planet are not wealthy,” Kilar said during a virtual appearance at Morgan Stanley’s Technology, Media & Telecom conference. “If we can wake up and use price and be able to kind of invent and do things elegantly through advertising to reduce the price of the service, I think that’s a fantastic thing for fans.”

WarnerMedia CEO Jason Kilar On Movie Outlook And Adding Cheaper AVOD Tier To HBO Max: “It Turns Out That Most People On This Planet Are Not Wealthy”

WarnerMedia CEO Jason Kilar offered his outlook on the movie business and thoughts about the forthcoming ad-supported tier of HBO Max.

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On the one hand, I would likely keep an active HBO Max subscription if it was less than $10/mo. On the other, if HBO Max delivers an ad-based package for under $10 then Disney, Netflix, etc would be foolish not to follow suit. At that point I would be paying Cable TV pricing for less channels and still get advertisements.

 

[BryceC]

There's a high probability that there will be a cheaper, ad-supported version HBO Max later this year.

WarnerMedia CEO Jason Kilar On Movie Outlook And Adding Cheaper AVOD Tier To HBO Max: “It Turns Out That Most People On This Planet Are Not Wealthy”

WarnerMedia CEO Jason Kilar offered his outlook on the movie business and thoughts about the forthcoming ad-supported tier of HBO Max.

deadline.com

On the one hand, I would likely keep an active HBO Max subscription if it was less than $10/mo. On the other, if HBO Max delivers an ad-based package for under $10 then Disney, Netflix, etc would be foolish not to follow suit. At that point I would be paying Cable TV pricing for less channels and still get advertisements.

They have a great library but what is it $18/mo? That's way too much for a streamer.

 

[3GenClone]

They have a great library but what is it $18/mo? That's way too much for a streamer.

I jumped on the 6-months for $70 when they offered it back in January, since I had a bunch of HBO shows I needed to catch up on and also watch WW 1984 & Kong vs Godzilla in my house.

 

[Triggermv]

They have a great library but what is it $18/mo? That's way too much for a streamer.

I think as all these streaming products becoming bigger and more prevalent, so too will streamer hoppers like myself who sign up for a month of programming, knock everything out they want, then jump onto the next. I get that most people aren't like me, but I do think they will push more and more people in my direction the more expensive these things get and the more streamers that keep popping up.

 

[BryceC]

I think as all these streaming products becoming bigger and more prevalent, so too will streamer hoppers like myself who sign up for a month of programming, knock everything out they want, then jump onto the next. I get that most people aren't like me, but I do think they will push more and more people in my direction the more expensive these things get and the more streamers that keep popping up.

I basically only have Disney+ (I have kids and will always have this), Hulu, ESPN+, due to the bundle option, and Amazon Prime which I'd have anyway. I don't need anything else. There is a ton of stuff already.

 

[Triggermv]

I basically only have Disney+ (I have kids and will always have this), Hulu, ESPN+, due to the bundle option, and Amazon Prime which I'd have anyway. I don't need anything else. There is a ton of stuff already.

Yeah, Disney+ is the only thing I have consistently, which is essential with young kids. I also signed up for a special early 3-year deal where it was less than $4/month if you locked it in that long. Quite the crazy good deal if you think about it. I didn't even go for the bundle as I rarely watch anything on Hulu and ESPN+ is only needed for a few months a year for ISU content.

 

[3GenClone]

Early reviews are starting to come out for the Justice League Snyder Cut and, to my surprise, they are overwhelmingly positive. I didn't think there would be significant changes to the story and it seems like this version is far-superior to the theatrical version. My wife and I watched Justice League last night to prep for the Snyder Cut (comes out Thursday). It wasn't as bad as I remember, in fact there were parts that were really enjoyable. If the Snyder Cut fleshes out more of the story, and that sounds to be the case, then Justice League could be one of the better DC films. I don't know if we'll be able to sit through all 4 hours of the Snyder Cut in one sitting, but my expectations have certainly changed.

 

[CloniesForLife]

I am getting excited to watch this. Seems like it is going to be a step up from the original.

 

[Triggermv]

Just curious, what are you guys more excited for?

-Watching Justice-League Snyder Cut
-Watching Falcon and the Winter Soldier Ep 1

Granted, I recognize I'm asking this in the DC forum, but I know this forum well enough that most people who are avid posters over here also post on my MCU forum as well, so it seems we've got a lot of fans like me who like both.

For me, I'm going to go with I'm more excited for Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Ultimately, for how much I love Man of Steel, I may equally dislike Batman v Superman. In fact, in a lead-up to Snyder Cut, I rewatched both Man of Steel again and Batman v Superman Ultimate cut in 4K over the past week. Afterwards, its safe to say I still love Man of Steel, but Batman v Superman somehow found a way to get worse. Therefore, its hard for me to be too optimistic ahead of time about the direction Snyder might go with this thing. Just my opinion. I may change my mind too after watching it.

 

[superman_101680]

I’m up to the third chapter and it’s great. The fact that this movie exists feels like a gift.

 

[CloniesForLife]

Just curious, what are you guys more excited for?

-Watching Justice-League Snyder Cut
-Watching Falcon and the Winter Soldier Ep 1

Granted, I recognize I'm asking this in the DC forum, but I know this forum well enough that most people who are avid posters over here also post on my MCU forum as well, so it seems we've got a lot of fans like me who like both.

For me, I'm going to go with I'm more excited for Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Ultimately, for how much I love Man of Steel, I may equally dislike Batman v Superman. In fact, in a lead-up to Snyder Cut, I rewatched both Man of Steel again and Batman v Superman Ultimate cut in 4K over the past week. Afterwards, its safe to say I still love Man of Steel, but Batman v Superman somehow found a way to get worse. Therefore, its hard for me to be too optimistic ahead of time about the direction Snyder might go with this thing. Just my opinion. I may change my mind too after watching it.

I am excited for both. I would lean towards Falcon and the Winter Soldier just because the MCU is all so interconnected and everything is always building towards something. As a standalone movie I am excited about Justice League but the DCEU is a lot more of a mess.

 

[burn587]

I’m up to the third chapter and it’s great. The fact that this movie exists feels like a gift.

I’m still in the first chapter and already it’s very obvious that giving Snyder an unlimited run time was a huge mistake. He isn’t using the extra time for more content, he’s using it for more of his self indulgent Snyder flourishes.

Still excited for what’s to come, but it’s pretty obvious he is not a director that should be given free reign.

 

[Triggermv]

I’m still in the first chapter and already it’s very obvious that giving Snyder an unlimited run time was a huge mistake. He isn’t using the extra time for more content, he’s using it for more of his self indulgent Snyder flourishes.

Still excited for what’s to come, but it’s pretty obvious he is not a director that should be given free reign.

Yeah, he obviously struggles with runtimes and becoming too self-indulgent. At least to me, the Batman vs Superman theatrical cut was a decently long 2 hours 31 minutes and barely coherent at that length. You could tell it had been cut down, which left major gaping plot and story holes because of it. Then came the Ultimate Edition at 3 hours 2 minutes, which while I only found marginally better, did at least seem much more coherent and filled in the gaps. However, I'm sorry but you shouldn't need a minimum of 3 hours to make your story even marginally coherent. That is just bad writing, bad directing, and bad planning. The worst part is that he didn't seem to learn from his mistakes to correct his runtime issues with Justice League, which obviously frustrated the studio, and justifiably so. Don't get me wrong, I'm okay with a 2 1/2 hour movie, or even at worst 3 hours for certain films, but they shouldn't NEED to be that long to be coherent.

 

[burn587]

Yeah, he obviously struggles with runtimes and becoming too self-indulgent. At least to me, the Batman vs Superman theatrical cut was a decently long 2 hours 31 minutes and barely coherent at that length. You could tell it had been cut down, which left major gaping plot and story holes because of it. Then came the Ultimate Edition at 3 hours 2 minutes, which while I only found marginally better, did at least seem much more coherent and filled in the gaps. However, I'm sorry but you shouldn't need a minimum of 3 hours to make your story even marginally coherent. That is just bad writing, bad directing, and bad planning. The worst part is that he didn't seem to learn from his mistakes to correct his runtime issues with Justice League, which obviously frustrated the studio, and justifiably so. Don't get me wrong, I'm okay with a 2 1/2 hour movie, or even at worst 3 hours for certain films, but they shouldn't NEED to be that long to be coherent.

I think when paired with an editor and studio that can rein him in Snyder is a great director. I loved Dawn of the Dead and 300. His adaptation of Watchmen was admirable, but that was a pretty clear sign that his vision needed to be refined and pared down.

I feel like Whedon took too much of the blame for the theatrical Justice League. It was heavily rumored that Snyder was going to be replaced even before the suicide of his daughter. So Whedon was brought in, given a clear directive by the studio to address the complaints that they (and the fans) had about run times, being too dark and humorless, etc. Then they got what the asked for: a muddled mess of a director’s delusion of grandeur, a studio that issued edicts about what they wanted, and a previously successful director for hire trying to lean in on what made him successful before. Had the studio trusted Snyder yet guided and refined his vision to meet their expectations they could’ve really had something.

 

[State43]

Finishing the Snyder cut last night and I think it was pretty great. Had some things I felt failed but fleshing out new characters was a huge positive that I felt like Wheden League failed terribly at. Diving further into Batman, Flash and especially Cyborgs character really brought more impact to the movie in my opinion. In the original, I didn’t care much for any of them and it’s hard to appreciate them coming together if you have no concept of them individually. The fact that all of that Cyborg backstory was cut is a travesty. The movie pacing was certainly geared more to a series feel but I appreciated it for what it was.

 

[Triggermv]

Finally finished the Snyder Cut and wow, that was quite great, and exceeded my expectations. This is coming from someone who loved Man of Steel and really did not like Batman v Superman. While I'm always optimistically wanting to like everything, I did not expect it to be as good as it was. Its hard to name one area it didn't improve on the first movie. While long, I'm surprised to hear myself say it kind of needed to be that long to get at the vision he was going for with rich character backstories. Regardless of how good it turned out in its current state, looking back, its still hard to imagine how this thing would have exactly worked in theaters without cutting it down decently. Then if it was cut down decently, I'm doubtful it would have been as good at is was. So, as it turns out, going to HBO Max might have been this movies best chance for success. I ended up watching it almost more like a season of a TV series than a movie, which I think is the best way to look at it.

 

[quasistellar]

Finally finished the Snyder Cut and wow, that was quite great, and exceeded my expectations. This is coming from someone who loved Man of Steel and really did not like Batman v Superman. While I'm always optimistically wanting to like everything, I did not expect it to be as good as it was. Its hard to name one area it didn't improve on the first movie. While long, I'm surprised to hear myself say it kind of needed to be that long to get at the vision he was going for with rich character backstories. Regardless of how good it turned out in its current state, looking back, its still hard to imagine how this thing would have exactly worked in theaters without cutting it down decently. Then if it was cut down decently, I'm doubtful it would have been as good at is was. So, as it turns out, going to HBO Max might have been this movies best chance for success. I ended up watching it almost more like a season of a TV series than a movie, which I think is the best way to look at it.

Just watched it yesterday myself. I haven't seen the original cut or Aquaman, but have seen BvS, WW, and all of the Superman movies. So, basically, I come into this having seen only what DC movies would have been produced at the time of the original cut release.

It was long, and there were a few scenes that I thought could be cut, but I have a hard time thinking that it could have been much shorter without them just saying "oh, and here's Flash, Cyborg, and Aquaman, BTW". Is that what happened in the original cut? I suppose he could have cut out the batman post apocalyptic dreams, but that's actually a driving motivation for batman's actions in all this, so IDK.

Really they shouldn't have done this movie when they did. There should have been standalone movies for all of the main heroes (or maybe all but one) first.

I guess this is a long winded way to say that:

-it was good
-it was long
-it needed to be that long to be good
-it shouldn't have needed to be that long

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