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I appreciate all you guy's thoughts on movies, critics, and whatnot. Like what you like and don't be ashamed of it. Personally, I'm kind of a movie buff and do appreciate the critics thoughts beings how they tend to relate fairly close to my thoughts as well. For instance, if you compare my rankings of all the superhero movies as compared to say a Rotten Tomatoes conglomerate rankings of them, you'll see they relate pretty close to one another. Granted, there are some outliers where we don't agree (Man of Steel, Iron Man 3), just like everyone will have, but I do find them to be a fairly accurate source of whether a movie is worth my time or not. Yes, I agree there is some bias in there, especially when it comes to the recent DCEU movies as compared to Marvel movies, but it isn't to the level where they are calling a good movie bad. If I'm honest with myself, Batman vs Superman is still NOT a good movie, however, it probably deserves more of a 50% RT ranking verses a 27% one.

I like to compare movie critics reviews to recruit ranking services in sports where an individual review is comparable to an individual site's (Rivals for example) ranking of a recruit, whereas a movie site like Rotten Tomatoes or Metacritic, who compiles the conglomerate of many reviews is more comparable to 247's index ranking, which compiles the recruit rankings of many different websites. With that said, are the recruiting website's always accurate, even the index ones? Absolutely not. You are going to always have some diamonds in the rough, as well as some overrated recruits. However, those rankings aren't completely worthless either. It isn't just a coincidence that the teams that consistently get the highest rated recruits also typically are the best teams over time verses those who don't.

Again, I appreciate everyone's thoughts on the matter. When it comes to movies, still always think for yourself and like what you like. Don't be ashamed of it either. Even though I value these critics thoughts on Suicide Squad still, I'm still going in with a completely open mind.
Nope. Movie critiques are still just peoples' opinions... the difference between movie critics and all your Facebook friends is that the critics fooled someone into paying them to publish their opinions. Especially for big budget movies like these, I usually have a pretty good idea of what to expect just based on trailers, cast, and crew. I find movie reviews to be more useful for smaller, off-the-grid productions that don't have the hype or name power behind it.

I get so few chances to see movies in the theater anymore (life with a 2 year old), so I generally just treat that time as a deserved distraction, and try not to worry too much about whether it lived up to expectations.

I hear yah on the 2 year old thing. I've got a near 2 year old myself. However, for me, seeing movies in theaters is kind of my release to get away from the wife and kid for a couple hours with buddies. Some guys golf, some guys go shooting.... etc. To each their own. The thing I like about movies verses golfing is that they tend to take less time away from the family than say golfing does. 18 holes of golfing takes pretty much a half day of time, whereas I can slip out to a movie after the kid even goes to bed.
 
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I rarely see any movies in the theaters and end up just buying them on blu-ray release day. Part of that has to do with the cost of going to the theater, but the other has to do with audience and critical reception. I can wait 4 months for the Blu-ray and see a movie for the first time and I am blown away at how much better they are:

Man of Steel, Star Trek: Into Darkness ,Cowboys v. Aliens, The Lone Ranger and BvS were all way better than I thought they were going to be and I think that can be attributed to going in to a movie with lowered expectations. I find movies far more enjoyable this way than had I seen a movie opening night and been disappointed.

The same goes the other way - like HFCS said, I didn't think Ant-Man was particularly great and I didn't even think The Avengers (gasp!) was as good as the hype around it.

I suspect that I will enjoy Suicide Squad - too bad it won't be on Blu-ray until sometime between Thanksgiving and Christmas

I don't know what it is, but something tells me I'll still like Suicide Squad too. Maybe I'm wrong. I said the same thing about Batman vs Superman and I've never been that disappointed walking out of a movie theater. Guess I'll find out tomorrow night!!!
 

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Article on io9 this morning regarding Suicide Squad:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/report-warner-bros-turned-suicide-squad-into-a-mess-i-1784760580

The extensive report—sourced through comments from unnamed Warner Bros. insiders, so grain of salt, etc.—cites a bevy of stresses about the production of the movie, from an alleged rush to meet its August 2016 release date to a supposed concern about David Ayer’s ability to handle an effects-driven summer blockbuster.


But worries about the approach Ayer was taking with the film apparently got even more heated when Warner Bros. were blindsided by the vicious critical response to Batman v Superman earlier this year:

A source with knowledge of events says Warners executives, nervous from the start, grew more anxious after they were blindsided and deeply rattled by the tepid response to BvS. “Kevin [Tsujihara, Warner Bros. CEO] was really pissed about damage to the brand,” says one executive close to the studio. A key concern for Warners executives was that Suicide Squad didn’t deliver on the fun, edgy tone promised in the strong teaser trailer for the film. So while Ayer pursued his original vision, Warners set about working on a different cut, with an assist from Trailer Park, the company that had made the teaser.

The concern lead to two alleged rival cuts of the film—one, Ayer’s darker take on the group of villainous misfits, the other a romp that focused on splashy effects and pop-song-infused humor that resonated in themovie’s early trailers. They were both screened for test audiences, until eventually a compromise between the two cuts was found—one that would need extensive reshoots to meld the two wildly different films together, hence the vaunted reports of reshoots that were claimed to “add humor” to the film earlier this year:
 

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BvS wasn't as bad as the reviews, but there were some really bad scenes that sorta dragged the rest of the movie down (Martha - SMH). I thought the social commentary on how the world turned on Superman was pretty well done over all. The courtroom scene was pretty powerful too.

I haven't watched the extended version, but I hope that makes a few scenes flow a little more smoothly.

I had high hopes for Suicide Squad, but I may temper them a bit based on reviews. It would probably be better to go into the movie with realistic expectations and come out pleasantly surprised.
 
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BvS wasn't as bad as the reviews, but there were some really bad scenes that sorta dragged the rest of the movie down (Martha - SMH). I thought the social commentary on how the world turned on Superman was pretty well done over all. The courtroom scene was pretty powerful too.

I haven't watched the extended version, but I hope that makes a few scenes flow a little more smoothly.

I had high hopes for Suicide Squad, but I may temper them a bit based on reviews. It would probably be better to go into the movie with realistic expectations and come out pleasantly surprised.



I saw one positive but holy cow this movie is getting brutalized.

This universe may implode.
 
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Sorry, nothing to report here yet. Planned on going yesterday, but with the storms and the reported chance of hail in those storms, I opted to not take the chance of walking out to hail damage to my car post-movie. Might have ended up adding insult to injury at that point based off reviews. Going tonight now after work. With that said, did anyone else get a chance to see it?
 

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Sorry, nothing to report here yet. Planned on going yesterday, but with the storms and the reported chance of hail in those storms, I opted to not take the chance of walking out to hail damage to my car post-movie. Might have ended up adding insult to injury at that point based off reviews. Going tonight now after work. With that said, did anyone else get a chance to see it?
Darn, was looking forward to your review. Probably won't go for a few days as I hate dealing with busy theater
 

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Darn, was looking forward to your review. Probably won't go for a few days as I hate dealing with busy theater

Sorry man. Glad to hear somebody has interest in my reviews at least. With that said, after a slew of more reviews, things haven't gotten better. As of right now, it is now right neck and neck with Batman vs Superman on tomatometer, which is currently at 27% liked. However, I almost put more stock into the overall average rating of the reviews, which is at an even worse 4.7 score, which is technically LOWER than Batman vs Superman's average score of 4.9.... ouch!!! Granted, there is still a lot more reviews left to filter in over the next week. However, if it means anything, at least audiences seem to like it more than Batman vs Superman so far as 74% of people have liked it so far verses 65% for Batman vs Superman. With that said, keep in mind that those are still not good audience scores overall, as audiences usually rate these types of things even higher. However, like its other DCEU counterpart, that is a VERY big gap between critics and audiences scores, which does give some warrant to the fans dogging critics out there at least. Again, it doesn't necessarily make a bad movie good, but it does lead people to question if critics are truly being fair overall in their opinions for these movies.
 

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Sorry man. Glad to hear somebody has interest in my reviews at least. With that said, after a slew of more reviews, things haven't gotten better. As of right now, it is now right neck and neck with Batman vs Superman on tomatometer, which is currently at 27% liked. However, I almost put more stock into the overall average rating of the reviews, which is at an even worse 4.7 score, which is technically LOWER than Batman vs Superman's average score of 4.9.... ouch!!! Granted, there is still a lot more reviews left to filter in over the next week. However, if it means anything, at least audiences seem to like it more than Batman vs Superman so far as 74% of people have liked it so far verses 65% for Batman vs Superman. With that said, keep in mind that those are still not good audience scores overall, as audiences usually rate these types of things even higher. However, like its other DCEU counterpart, that is a VERY big gap between critics and audiences scores, which does give some warrant to the fans dogging critics out there at least. Again, it doesn't necessarily make a bad movie good, but it does lead people to question if critics are truly being fair overall in their opinions for these movies.

Yeah the reviews so far have been disappointing. I had very high hopes for this movie
 

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Went last night. Went in thinking it was gonna be awful based on the horrible reviews across the board. When it ended I looked at my better half, also expecting it to be awful, and I said 'why is this getting such horrible reviews?'

It is NOT GREAT by any sense of the word. But it's not bad either. I'm glad I went if nothing but for basic entertainment. Story line is meh. Some of the acting is meh. Cheesy lines, etc. But those are in almost all comic movies in my opinion. It's kind of disjointed as well.

I thought Margot as Harley Quinn was pretty awesome. You'll see a **** ton of girls dressed up like her for Halloween you can bet on that. Joker was...meh. He held his own but I honestly have no idea why it was in it other than to tell Harley's back story...he's a glorified cameo.

I'd go in not expecting much. That's what I did and I walked away thinking it was worth seeing for sure.

I saw some reviews that were 0/100. I have no clue how anyone could do that. Seriously makes no sense. I didn't love it but I'd give it it a solid B- probably? That's more than I can say for BvS.
 

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The DCEU needs to go back to basics. Too much doom and gloom. The last time I checked, superheroes were meant to INSPIRE. There was nothing inspirational in BvSM and I assume much the same in Suicide Squad.
 

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I saw it last night and thought it was really good. I guess maybe if you don't like the comics or cartoons, you might not care for it too much. I didn't have a bunch of comics, but I did watch most of the cartoons going back to Batman Animated Series, Young Justice, Justice League, etc.

Robbie nailed Harley Quinn. Leto's Joker was just OK. Will Smith was good. Captain Boomerang was funny. Enchantress was awesome. They nailed Wahler too. Lots of action. Good storyline. They go into the backstories of all the characters via flashback, which was fun to see if you are interested in that stuff. Overall it was a fun movie and well surpassed my expectations after the poor reviews. Much better than BvS, Civil War and most other comic book movies that have been released in the last few years.
 

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The DCEU needs to go back to basics. Too much doom and gloom. The last time I checked, superheroes were meant to INSPIRE. There was nothing inspirational in BvSM and I assume much the same in Suicide Squad.

I think that's a bad assumption. They're not the same movie. Not really even similar.
 

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I saw it last night and thought it was really good. I guess maybe if you don't like the comics or cartoons, you might not care for it too much. I didn't have a bunch of comics, but I did watch most of the cartoons going back to Batman Animated Series, Young Justice, Justice League, etc.

Robbie nailed Harley Quinn. Leto's Joker was just OK. Will Smith was good. Captain Boomerang was funny. Enchantress was awesome. They nailed Wahler too. Lots of action. Good storyline. They go into the backstories of all the characters via flashback, which was fun to see if you are interested in that stuff. Overall it was a fun movie and well surpassed my expectations after the poor reviews. Much better than BvS, Civil War and most other comic book movies that have been released in the last few years.

Figured I'd rate my top comic movies for those who care:

1. Iron Man 1
2. Guardians of the Galaxy
3. Batman 89
4. Avengers
5. TDK
6. Thor 1
7. TDK3
8. Suicide Squad
9. TDK 2
10. Captain America 2
11. Deadpool
12. X-Men 1
13 X-Men Days of Future Past

Feel free to pick apart...just off the top of my head.
 
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Figured I'd rate my top comic movies for those who care:

1. Iron Man 1
2. Guardians of the Galaxy
3. Batman 89
4. Avengers
5. TDK
6. Thor 1
7. TDK3
8. Suicide Squad
9. TDK 2
10. Captain America 2
11. Deadpool
12. X-Men 1
13 X-Men Days of Future Past

Feel free to pick apart...just off the top of my head.
Suicide squad that high? That's encouraging.
 

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Figured I'd rate my top comic movies for those who care:

1. Iron Man 1
2. Guardians of the Galaxy
3. Batman 89
4. Avengers
5. TDK
6. Thor 1
7. TDK3
8. Suicide Squad
9. TDK 2
10. Captain America 2
11. Deadpool
12. X-Men 1
13 X-Men Days of Future Past

Feel free to pick apart...just off the top of my head.

I'm surprised the Dark Night (listed as TDK2) is so low and also that you put Dark Knight Rises ahead of it - what did you like/dislike between those two Batman films?

I hope you aren't reading this as though I am saying you are "wrong" - just that this is a pretty unique opinion.

I totally agree with your top 2 - Iron Man 1 is my favorite of all the comic movies and Guardians is probably the best comic movie featuring an ensemble cast.
 

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So Suicide Squad has surpassed GotG for biggest opening in August and is already holding the #10 spot for domestic box office this year at just over $135 million.

My guess is that it will eclipse the $200 million mark, but may not beat BvS which made $330 million here is the US, but did far better overseas.

My question for those that saw it - did it leave the door open for a sequel (no spoilers yet, please)? There was rumor of a standalone Harley Quinn movie, but would you rather see that or a Suicide Squequal featuring fewer cast members?
 

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(Non-Spoilery) So, finally saw Suicide Squad Friday night and while I still had some fun, I'm glad I came in with pretty low expectations. Like most of the reviews say, it is kind of a complete mess, particularly from an editing perspective, but at least I did have some fun at times. When I say poor editing, there is actually a lot of similarities there between the same poor editing we saw in Batman vs Superman where nothing flowed well. It seemed many scenes were either missing or cut too short, while at the same time, I was left scratching my head why certain scenes were left in. It definitely wreaked of a movie with a lot of turmoil going on in the background (like has been rumored), and also a movie where they made major changes to the director's original vision probably too late in the process (reaction to Batman vs Superman). Oh yeah, and the final ending battle was just awful.

Nevertheless, I will again say there was still some fun and laughs to be had, even if not every joke landed, and there were quite a few that didn't. Harley Quinn, Captain Boomerang, and Deadshot were probably the three funniest characters. In fact, Boomerang had one moment I nearly spit out my drink in laughter. You can probably guess what I'm talking about.

From an overall character perspective, there were some good characters and some not very good ones. Harley Quinn was very good, even though not everything landed for her (some should have been cut), and at times, seemed pulled straight from her original cartoon (good thing). Deadshot was also fantastic and probably my favorite character overall, not to mention he had the coolest action sequence by far in the entire movie, close to the level of Batman's sweet scene in Batman vs Superman. Otherwise, Boomerang was okay overall, Amanda Waller was good, Croc needed more material, El-Diablo was terrible, Slipknot was non-existent, Katana was awful, Rick Flag was half-good (battle leader), half-bad (love stuff), Enchantress was terrible, Batman was decent (not much material), and I'm still not sure what to think of the Joker. In general, the Joker was kind of all over the place where some stuff was good and some stuff just didn't make any sense. He might have been the biggest sufferer of the editing mistakes as he has said a TON of stuff was cut out from him, which might have made his part flow better. I still want to give him a second chance still. Definitely not Heath Ledger, but I'm okay with a different take on the character and this is a very different take. One last thing to mention on the character side was how bad the shifting of character motivations was handled overall with most everyone, which was a another very fatal flaw of the movie. You can't just shift around everyone's motivations on a dime with no good explanation and expect the audience to still love and feel for the characters. Again, some of it was poor editing.

Lastly, to elaborate more on the awful final battle, talk about another really crappy villain culminating in yet another generic CGI orgy of a final stupid battle (I'm so sick of these), similar to Batman vs Superman. It didn't help either how vague the villains true powers were and in the end, none of everyone's powers made sense as to what and why stuff was happening the way it was. With that said, for all the crap DC fans give Marvel fans about their crappy villains, after the past two DCEU movies, I feel like they have ZERO room to talk. This villain might be even worse than Doomsday was, which says a lot.

In conclusion, was this a good movie? No. Does it help to come in with low expectations? Yes. Was there some more fun to be had than Batman vs Superman? Yes. Was it better than Batman vs Superman? Unsure. I also still think Man of Steel is much better than both. Do I want to see a Suicide Squad Sequel? Not sure right now, leaning no. Do I want to see some of these characters again, maybe just showing up in other DCEU movies? Absolutely, particularly Deadshot and Harley Quinn. Deadshot was the best part of this movie. Was this the savior of a movie for the DCEU that everyone was hoping for? No, but I don't know that it kills it either. In the end, I've got to say I was pretty disappointed in this movie because I REALLY wanted it to be good and it wasn't, similar to Batman vs Superman. With that said, everything now shifts to Wonder Woman which still stands as probably my most anticipated upcoming movie even with how many times the DCEU has been failing me. That comic-con trailer was pretty amazing. I also think by that movie, we'll finally start to see some of the improvements Geoff Johns is making to the universe. Lets all hope so at least because the DCEU really needs it.
 
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I can't wait to see Suicide Squad. Right up my alley

You can read my full review above, but my biggest advice is to come in with low expectations. This movie tries really hard to be a blend of Deadpool (I know you loved that) and Guardians of the Galaxy. While there is some fun to be had with that tone, some of it lands and some of it doesn't. In the end, whatever tone is taken, I think that you will find its hard to ignore that the biggest difference between Suicide Squad and those other two movies is that those movies were just good well-executed stories, and I can't say the same for Suicide Squad.
 
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