oliceman:People, the word is reins, not reigns or raines. Reins are what are used to control a horse. A king reigns over his country.
As you were:smile:
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oliceman:People, the word is reins, not reigns or raines. Reins are what are used to control a horse. A king reigns over his country.
As you were:smile:
Thank you.
Not every ISU alum is ga-ga in love with ISU and Ames. And if they're not, it doesn't make them a bad person. What was Cael's experience like here as a coach? Does anyone know besides him? Maybe he just didn't like as much as we want to believe. You may be beloved in your job but if there are things about it you don't like, you would leave if/when a better opportunity came along. And you shouldn't have to apologize for that.
I have no idea what was going through his head. Maybe he hated Pollard. Maybe he was sick of being the Chosen One. Maybe he just wanted more money. Maybe he was tired of Hickory Park. Maybe Tom Brands was in his head. I just don't care. Once he decided to move on, I moved on. He was a great Cyclone and brought more fame to ISU than ISU could ever give back to him. Let it go. We have a great coach now and ISU wrestling will be back.
People, the word is reins, not reigns or raines. Reins are what are used to control a horse. A king reigns over his country.
As you were:smile:
oliceman: Well while we're at it, it's a cupboard. 
"Money" isn't solely about salary, as in the money he would personally earn, but it's also about the amount that the AD is willing/able to sink into the program to enable success.
There is no doubt that JP was, if not willing, then at least able to match whatever salary Penn St might have thrown at Cael (within reason, obviously). What JP might not have been able to match is the open checkbook for wrestling-specific facilities. ISU has historically had issues funding a $5 million scoreboard and a $10 million combo soccer/track/softball facility. Other sports, such as volleyball and gymnastics, have to make do with facilities likely not up to par with little to no hope of ever getting top-notch facilities. So was Cael likely ever to get anywhere close to the facilities he was being promised at Penn St? Unlikely, unless some anonymous donor/s stepped up to provide, which, apparently, there was no indication they existed.
Like I said, "money" is an issue that extends far beyond what an AD is willing/able to pay a coach.
If this is true there's an easy solution. I could never get tired of Battle's......
Totally agree. The Cael Sanderson brand has proven to be much larger than the Cyclone Wrestling brand.
Absolutely.
And everyone else, with your bashing of Cael, I agree with you too. Absolutely disgusting what he did to his alma mater, and his coach. We pushed aside a great man and mentor, just to give Cael his shot. He responded by running away and poaching recruits on the way out. Not cool.
I do think that while KJ may not get quite the recruits CS would, he will get more out of the ones he brings to Ames. They will wrestle to win, and they will wrestle hard, and they will be tough. I love the KJ attitude way more than what CS brought.
May I just say that I am thrilled to see Iowa State fans not cheering those who use and abandon us. Ostracism and shame work. Let's make this practice common for all sports too. I don't care what sport, if you could have gone to ISU and done us all proud, but you ran away to a "glamorous" school to just be another in the crowd, sorry, I am not going to cheer for you or hope you did well. I am a Cyclone. You chose not to be. Buh-bye.
We released David Taylor and Luke Macchioroli (sp?) from Arizona who's since transferred to ASU. Cael did not "take" Boaz Beard or Weatherman. And Jamie Clark decided to go to Illinois, not PSU.
Of course Cyler went with his brothers. And Iowa beat us at nationals by almost 60 points, I don't think Cyler was the difference.
Wow, I cant believe the grudge that some people still have against Cael. Did he “sell out”, to some extent sure, again I just don’t buy for one second that anyone else in their right mind would not have done the same thing.
For the person who said that Cael would not have had the success that he did had he not come to ISU, I guess I disagree to some extent. Would he have been undefeated, maybe not. However the fact that Cael had the dedication and put in the time to achieve what he did tells me that he would have still been pretty damn good, like probably still a 3-4 time Champ but no one will ever know that.
ISU did Cael a “favor” by allowing him to stay on and coach while training for the Olympics, but you’re crazy if you don’t think that the ISU wrestlers and the program as a whole benefited from this time as an assistant. The positive publicity brought in talent and the practice time with someone as good as him can only improve others in the room. I would say that it was a win-win for both Cael and ISU at this time. As for him getting preferential treatment and what others have called forcing Bobby D out, look at the NCAA final rankings from Bobby’s last 5 yrs, a 2nd place finish in 01-02 then a best of 6th with 3 finishes at 10th or worse. Not exactly lighting things up or carrying on the tradition of being a “power” in college wrestling.
Cael was hired because ISU didn’t want another Gable incident where a superior ISU wrestler went to another school and have success. Oh yeah and the fact that he was the GREATEST college wrestler of all time. In his three years as coach Cael equaled the best finish that Bobby D had nationally and ISU won 3 consecutive B12 tittles.
It sucks that he “took” wrestlers with him when he left but lets face it, these kids sign up to wrestle for the COACH not the school. I know they commit to the school but the reality is it's the coach that makes the difference. Let me ask you this, if this would have been the other way around and we brought in a new coach who “took” wrestlers from his old school and brought them to ISU, would you still be on you moral high horse? I'm guessing you would be giddy to have the talent and say that the kids deserve a chance to wrestle for the coach that they chose even if it meant changing schools.
Sure it stung when he left, but I for one still don’t blame him. Does it suck? Sure. Am I over it, well if KJ is as good as some think he is I will be in a few years when ISU is back in the hunt.
For the person who said that Cael would not have had the success that he did had he not come to ISU, I guess I disagree to some extent. Would he have been undefeated, maybe not. However the fact that Cael had the dedication and put in the time to achieve what he did tells me that he would have still been pretty damn good, like probably still a 3-4 time Champ but no one will ever know that.
ISU did Cael a “favor” by allowing him to stay on and coach while training for the Olympics, but you’re crazy if you don’t think that the ISU wrestlers and the program as a whole benefited from this time as an assistant. The positive publicity brought in talent and the practice time with someone as good as him can only improve others in the room. I would say that it was a win-win for both Cael and ISU at this time. As for him getting preferential treatment and what others have called forcing Bobby D out, look at the NCAA final rankings from Bobby’s last 5 yrs, a 2nd place finish in 01-02 then a best of 6th with 3 finishes at 10th or worse. Not exactly lighting things up or carrying on the tradition of being a “power” in college wrestling.
Cael was hired because ISU didn’t want another Gable incident where a superior ISU wrestler went to another school and have success. Oh yeah and the fact that he was the GREATEST college wrestler of all time. In his three years as coach Cael equaled the best finish that Bobby D had nationally and ISU won 3 consecutive B12 tittles.
It sucks that he “took” wrestlers with him when he left but lets face it, these kids sign up to wrestle for the COACH not the school. I know they commit to the school but the reality is it's the coach that makes the difference. Let me ask you this, if this would have been the other way around and we brought in a new coach who “took” wrestlers from his old school and brought them to ISU, would you still be on you moral high horse? I'm guessing you would be giddy to have the talent and say that the kids deserve a chance to wrestle for the coach that they chose even if it meant changing schools.
Sure it stung when he left, but I for one still don’t blame him. Does it suck? Sure. Am I over it, well if KJ is as good as some think he is I will be in a few years when ISU is back in the hunt.
What's your point/s? Let me guess . . "everything is Cool with Cael. Don't criticize . . no derogatories . . . everything is fair when it comes to chasing BIG MONEY." "Screw ISU!" Correct?
Crying about fairness is for *******. Life isn't fair, where have you been? You won't hear Kevin Jackson crying about what's "fair" or "unfair."
I care because all these sour grapes make Cyclone fans look bad. We're not all crybabies.
LOL, should I take my Cyclone Wrestling Club membership and season tickets with me?
What he said is not off-base. People who still can't get over Cael leaving and are still complaining about it look like crybabies. It's time to move on.
Only if you feel like it would be more advatageous to be the fan of a team that wins more often. After all, it's a business right? An emotional attachment to your alma mater shouldn't cloud a decision to cheer for an athletic team... or make more money.
