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IcSyU

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How long will it take you to stop being condescending towards the students? Guess what, if Cyclone Alley was perfect, people wouldn't complain about it. Obviously people don't enjoy it as much as you do or you would like people to. Give us the option to not be a member and have a general admission student section opposite of Cyclone Alley.
Point out who said Cyclone Alley was perfect. It hasn't happened here. It won't ever happen. When are you going to grow out of your toddler stage and offer something that can be useful to CA? It isn't going anywhere. Embrace and improve (that doesn't mean you have to like it). Or rebel and go get your $99 season tickets in a corner section. No one is stopping you. And I'm a lot more condescending towards you than just students. You're an embarassment and why CA can't improve. Instead of offering suggesstions for implementation you choose to just cry.

And to the person who asked about the fees, CA makes $$ for the alumni asociating through a $25 fee that was part of student tickets. Hence why it won't ever go anywhere. SAA isn't giving up an easy few thousand dollars.
 

IcSyU

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You're both an embarrassment in different ways. You for being childish and not proposing solutions which are realistic.

CA for students forgetting how to show up during basketball games. Remember the Kansas game? CA seemed perfectly fine for that game didn't it? The ability is there.
 

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Point out who said Cyclone Alley was perfect. It hasn't happened here. It won't ever happen. When are you going to grow out of your toddler stage and offer something that can be useful to CA? It isn't going anywhere. Embrace and improve (that doesn't mean you have to like it). Or rebel and go get your $99 season tickets in a corner section. No one is stopping you. And I'm a lot more condescending towards you than just students. You're an embarassment and why CA can't improve. Instead of offering suggesstions for implementation you choose to just cry.

And to the person who asked about the fees, CA makes $$ for the alumni asociating through a $25 fee that was part of student tickets. Hence why it won't ever go anywhere. SAA isn't giving up an easy few thousand dollars.

You keep bringing these things up like there is no detriment to the atmosphere of Hilton in either situation. There absolutely is an environment issue with Hilton right now, that is visible both at the games and on TV, which is somewhat embarrassing to some of the Alums on this site that were at ISU during the "glory days" of the Magic.

You keep saying that Jukebox isn't presenting anything to the argument that would help to solve the problem but in reality identifying a problem is the first step to a solution. Many solutions have been presented that seem relatively feasible, but apparently you didn't read too much into those.

There absolutely is some psychology to Cyclone Alley and it's attempts to unify the students. Some people do not like being told what to do and will rebel out of spite against whatever organization/group trying to enforce control over them. Count me into this group when I got to school. So young and idealistic, no one was going to tell me what to do and if they did, they could **** off.

I'm all for one section of CA and one GA, let's do an experiment and see which side kicks more ***.

Let's just stop the pseudo-control measures and let people come in and rage as Royce goes beast mode all over the Big 12! That's what we all want here.
 

cyclonespiker33

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What does Cyclone Alley add that benefits the students?

As someone who has been to every game, I have gotten a bandanna, a pint glass, Iowa State glasses, shorts, a sweatshirt, and I'll also be at a dinner with the men's and women's teams. There was also a game watch for the Baylor game and I also won an Iowa State Scarf through a CA contest.

Now I agree with your idea for having one side be general admission but CA does provide benefits to those students that actually show up. I don't see how it is CA's fault that some students don't care enough to show up and support our team
 

IcSyU

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Actually, the upper deck was empty, but why isn't making the other side general admissions not realistic? Because you're afraid it would be 20x the student section CA is? Because you would lose your power over the entire student section?

I don't have a horse in the race. Tomorrow night's the last time I'm in CA. Why not realistic? Like EVERYTHING else at Iowa State, politics. They aren't going to give up a ton of money (SAA). I don't have any power. I sit in CA and watch basketball.

Like has been said 10,000 times, if we were winning consistently people wouldn't be crying. Why can student sections work for Illinois, Duke, Gonzaga, Kentucky, etc. And CA and the Hawk's Nest have pathetic attendance? Easy: winning.
 

IcSyU

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Dude, we are winning.

Won't they get more money if more students are going to games?

How many times have we been to the postseason recently? That isn't winning. We're just getting started. 2 years from now off back to back Sweet 16 appearances.....THEN you're winning.

And SAA is separate of the AD so no, they don't see anything if they can't screw you on the CA fee.
 
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Ficklone02

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How did this get so complicated? The only two things that are needed are:

1. Show up
2. Get crazy

Why is a whole organization needed to accomplish that? I think CA is useless and has actually defeated both of those purposes, therefore counteracting what is really needed. So if they're accomplishing neither why do people say that they are "here to stay?" If I were in the AD I'd be ****** about this and would demand changes or else.

Sounds like people aren't showing up because there are rules to showing up and cheering on the team? What a bunch of bs. Their shouldn't be any rules. Just show up and cheer.
 
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Will one of you wacky students make a big head of the guy on the right?

I'd love you!
 

bigcyfan82

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What does Cyclone Alley add that benefits the students?

I'll just add a few things to that:

Rewards - Cyclone Alley -- the official student spirit organization for Iowa State basketball!

There are Bandannas, Pint glasses, I-State logo'd lenses, shorts, sweatshirts. a chance to win a tv, dinner with the teams, Big 12 tourney tickets, and a trip to florida. In addition, the winner of the women's time out promo gets a free coldstone ice cream, and the men's get 2 free airline tickets. The girl at the valentines day men's game won a $1000 diamond necklace from Riddles jewelry. We have also given away gift cards to chocalottaire stom (sp) and given away multiple Scarfs courtesy of college sport scarf.

There are gamewatches where students received free chips and salsa and pop at ledgends, and there's a gamewatch at Estas tomorrow where students get some pretty good deals as well. $4 for 3 tacos, chips and salsa, and pop and $3 cheese balls.

But yep, there are NO benefits to students :rolleyes:
 

bigcyfan82

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Not sure if you're serious.

Anyway, if people think the prizes are worth a membership of CA so be it. I just ask that students have the option to have a GA side.

It will never go back to GA. To much has been invested in it and the right people are behind it. The suggestions will be considered and some things will change next year. Believe me, they will. We have already changed many things over the past couple years.

I'm sorry to those of you who had bad experiences in the past regarding someone telling you to not be loud or go crazy - that should have never happened.

I can assure you that cac is not supposed to nor has ever been instructed to police the student section for anything other than people wearing the opposing teams colors the last 2 years. That code of conduct is in place for legality issues - so take it as you will. The only thing that will get someone talked to by Hilton Staff are racial slurs (as they should - there's no place for that anywhere). Or if you are yelling a large amount of swear words.
 

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I think the reason and rationale for Cyclone Alley you have stated is the core of the problem.

The culture in Ames has changed as it relates to the basketball program. Losing during the McDermott years was certainly part of that, but I think the Hilton environment Fred wants to revive is different from what Cyclone Alley understands it to be. In Fred's era, you went to Hilton in hopes of seeing that great game and being part of the electric atmosphere that was organic and grew among the crowd. Everything else was secondary. Now, it seems as if everyone wants a great environment for the sake of having a great environment. CA seems more concerned about how they look and how they compare to other student sections at other schools. If it is a great game, so much the better, but that is no longer the impetus for going to games.


The ridiculous cheers and promotions remind me more of a minor league baseball game than a great environment. They only serve to distract from the real product. People don't go to ISU MBB for a silly promotion or to participate in structured cheers. They go to be part of something special - the hope of being part of a great game.

Post of the week?
 

bigcyfan82

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Who has invested in it? Why won't it go anywhere? Why do CA leaders refuse to give up any power and let one side be GA?

Think outside the box a little bit. This has nothing to do with CA leaders. Cyclone Alley is partnered with Athletics and the Alumni Association...do I need to explain more. Ahh hell, I will anyway because you still probably don't get it.

The amount of time, effort, and money that have went into if from both Athletics and Alumni are who has invested in it. They won't let it go because of that and the people that matter like it (JP, Jeff Johnson). CA leaders have NOTHING to do with ticketing - NOTHING - that is all determined by Athletics and ultimately Pollard. Do you get it now?
 

BigM

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the people that matter are the students, what harm is it in stacking the 2 ca sections on top of each other and having the other side be GA, get the best of both worlds that way. its not eliminating cyclone alley it is just allowing for alternatives, and the upper decks would probably be fuller as a result and everyone wants that.
 

ISUAgronomist

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the people that matter are the students, what harm is it in stacking the 2 ca sections on top of each other and having the other side be GA, get the best of both worlds that way. its not eliminating cyclone alley it is just allowing for alternatives, and the upper decks would probably be fuller as a result and everyone wants that.

Going back to a split CA & GA would essentially kill CA and that exactly why it won't happen.
 

bigcyfan82

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Well, according to IcSyU, the AD doesn't see any of this money of the $30 CA charges, and I presume the AD would see more money if butts were in seats (aka if there was a GA section). What exactly is the point of the Alumni Association?

I'm not going to go into the financials, but again think outside the box a little bit...the athletic department pays staff members to do things with cyclone alley...there's money spent, and time. The AA is involved because it's a student run organization. The central committee has access to an office in the Alumni building that they use for meeting.

Look at this, should explain a little more Committees - Iowa State University Student Alumni Leadership Council
 

BigM

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Going back to a split CA & GA would essentially kill CA and that exactly why it won't happen.

if CA can't handle the competition they should shift their model to be more competitive, adapt or die. the university should not be propping up anything that costs money such as CA that would fail if it were exposed to competition. if going to split CA/GA would kill CA then CA needs to die
 

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