Clowney vs Irving

[Aclone]

It was with interest that I watched Jadevion Clowney perform against Missouri last weekend. All right, so being that it was a televised game I didn’t watch him that closely, but I did listen to the announcers. And then the guys in the truck were kind enough to run a series of three plays showing Clowney’s three moves. Which the analysts gushed over.

Of course, I couldn’t help but think of David Irving, and his development. Both are sophomores, after all, and about the same size. Of course, Clowney had played a lot more football, been to many more camps in high school than Irving. The thing was, when I watched Clowney’s little moves, that’s what they were, little moves. Not the big, dramatic techniques that NFL defensive linemen have to use, often in combination, in order to get past an NFL tackle. And yet Clowney was enjoying clear success with them.

Oh yeah--I also noticed that SC had three really tall defensive ends listed in the three deep.

So, my question is—would it help Irving any to watch tapes not only of opponents, but of peers like Clowney? Or would CPR and Curtis Bray already have been doing things like that?

 

[CyArob]

It was with interest that I watched Jadevion Clowney perform against Missouri last weekend. All right, so being that it was a televised game I didn’t watch him that closely, but I did listen to the announcers. And then the guys in the truck were kind enough to run a series of three plays showing Clowney’s three moves. Which the analysts gushed over.

Of course, I couldn’t help but think of David Irving, and his development. Both are sophomores, after all, and about the same size. Of course, Clowney had played a lot more football, been to many more camps in high school than Irving. The thing was, when I watched Clowney’s little moves, that’s what they were, little moves. Not the big, dramatic techniques that NFL defensive linemen have to use, often in combination, in order to get past an NFL tackle. And yet Clowney was enjoying clear success with them.

Oh yeah--I also noticed that SC had three really tall defensive ends listed in the three deep.

So, my question is—would it help Irving any to watch tapes not only of opponents, but of peers like Clowney? Or would CPR and Curtis Bray already have been doing things like that?

 

[Clark]

Did you just compare Irving to the #1 overall recruit a couple years ago?

 

[Aclone]

Did you just compare Irving to the #1 overall recruit a couple years ago?

Yes. I said that they are both tall.

Why, is that a difficult concept to grasp?

 

[Dopey]

I'll email JP and let him know that I think all of our athletes should watch other participants in the sports they play!!

In fact, let's take it up one notch. Why doesn't Irving just watch JPP of the NY Giants? Then he could be even better than Clowney.

 

[BuffettClone]

Height is the only thing to compare those two players on...Irving was an athletic freak but a project at DE and Clowney, as mentioned by Clark, was not only the best DE coming out of high school but the #1 player in his class

 

[CyCrazy]

Yes. I said that they are both tall.

Why, is that a difficult concept to grasp?

Sure they are both tall.Comparison ends there. Clowney is a physical freak and will play at the next level.

Why, is that a difficult concept to grasp?

 

[dualthreat]

irving is a physical freak as well. just missing the finer points of being a DE. his potential is through the roof because of that.. but as of right now- he's a below average DE.

Certainly our coaches could show some video of clowney. Its a lot easier to show a video of a guy doing a rip move than try to explain it, i would think.

 

[Tre4ISU]

irving is a physical freak as well. just missing the finer points of being a DE. his potential is through the roof because of that.. but as of right now- he's a below average DE.

Certainly our coaches could show some video of clowney. Its a lot easier to show a video of a guy doing a rip move than try to explain it, i would think.

I think David Irving will be in the NFL. I think Clowney will walk into the NFL and has the ability to be one of the best defensive ends to ever play. He came into the SEC and immediately was a great player. Irving has athleticism relative to former and current DEs, not compared to Clowney.

Of course, that's sort of irrelevant because Aclone wasn't comparing their whole game or even potential to Clowney. He simply brought up the idea of using CLowney to teach Irving. Do I think the coaches have done that? I don't know. I could see them doing it but showing tape only does so much. I'm guessing the coaches have been more hands on than visual with him. For me, I don't know if he has the quick twitch to be elite. He can be very very good, but I don't know about elite.

 

[CyBroncos]

Irving is dripping with potential but still needs work. He could be a great player as an upperclassmen.

Clowney was a high level starting D-end in the SEC the first day he stepped on campus...kind of a ridiculous comparison

 

[bostrem00]

Jadeveon Clowney is one of the top defensive linemen in the country and David Irving can't crack the top spot at Iowa State.....
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0" target="_blank">[video=youtube;5hfYJsQAhl0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0[/video]

 

[Aclone]

In fact, let's take it up one notch. Why doesn't Irving just watch JPP of the NY Giants? Then he could be even better than Clowney.

Because, genius, the point was seeing a player work against college talent, not pros. Duh.

irving is a physical freak as well. just missing the finer points of being a DE. his potential is through the roof because of that.. but as of right now- he's a below average DE.

That was exactly my point, thank you. Irving has a lot to learn. It's not as if he has anyone on the team his size as a role model.

Certainly our coaches could show some video of clowney. Its a lot easier to show a video of a guy doing a rip move than try to explain it, i would think.

That's why I was asking, because I don't know if they include such in the teaching process.

Boy, there are some real jerks around here--either that, or reading comprehension skills are way, way low. .

 

[2ndCyCE]

I'm not sure it is as simple as watching somebody else's technique. I could watch hours of porn, but it probably wouldn't make me any better at, well, ya know.....

To a certain degree, either you've got or you don't.

 

[RustShack]

This actually isn't the first time I've heard this comparison. Irving is just behind the curve mentally. Physically the same type of potential is there, he just hasn't been working nearly as hard or as long at football. If Irving had been raised in Clowney's shoes, he would also probably be at an elite school and already starting. But he wasn't, and hes just a raw athlete right now with a lot of work to do if he wants to reach his potential and be in the NFL.

 

[Rural]

Have him watch Julius Peppers and say, "Do that".

 

[Aclone]

This actually isn't the first time I've heard this comparison. Irving is just behind the curve mentally. Physically the same type of potential is there, he just hasn't been working nearly as hard or as long at football. If Irving had been raised in Clowney's shoes, he would also probably be at an elite school and already starting. But he wasn't, and hes just a raw athlete right now with a lot of work to do if he wants to reach his potential and be in the NFL.

Thanks. Silly me--I thought that's what I was saying the first time around.

 

[IcSyU]

Irving has as much in common with Clowney as I have with Jake Knott. I mean, both Knott and I go 6'2" 240 or so...

 

[CyCrazy]

Irving has as much in common with Clowney as I have with Jake Knott. I mean, both Knott and I go 6'2" 240 or so...

If you have been studying film on Jake Knott I expect you to suit up on Sat. and tear Doege's head off.

 

[clonedude]

David Irving is probably about the 4th or 5th best DE on the Iowa State Cyclones right now. Does he have potential? Yes. But so does almost everyone on the roster.

Maggitt, Scott, Morrissey, and Nelson are all playing better than Irving right now IMO.... and Nick Kron might be too?

Morrissey might be getting the most pressure on the QB as anyone we have right now IMO. I really haven't seen Irving get any pressure yet.

Not saying Irving doesn't contribute, because he does. And like I said, he has a lot of potential. But you could never watch him play right now and seriously predict he will be an NFL player. Not that he can't become one, but he has a very LONG ways to go folks.

 

[Aclone]

Apparently some of you are, um, verbally challenged enough to think that "compare" is a synonym for "equal".