Chizik vs Floyd

83Clone

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No comparison-there is a banner in Hilton for our first/last/only Big 8 tournament championship from Floyd's years.

His tactics were suspect but he did win until he lost his entire backcourt the year Henderson and Bruton were supposed to come
 

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I think the only comparison between the two is that they left for jobs that they may not have been qualified for thus possibly ruining some organizations. The Floyd hire blew up da Bulls, because he had no NBA experience and they are still trying to recover. The Chizik hire is tearing up Auburn Nation, because he has very little head coaching experience and probably was in nobody's top 10 list. I just think they both may be blinded by the prestige (and $$).
 

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JP went to work and got him the 3rd highest payroll package for asstiants in the Big 12, and gave him a oppurtunity for his 1st Head Job...? You can spin it anyway you want to about staying longer, dream job, more money ect.... bottom line he quit on ISU and was dishonest about it to the Alumni, Fans, Adminstration and worst of all the team:skeptical: Very un-professional

No comparison with Tim Floyd is even close....(imo)

I agree. I have no ill will toward Floyd. He did fine for us. It was rough that he left after a 12-18 season, but he left us Fizer and some solid talent.
 

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Right after Floyd took the Bulls job he flew into Des Moines to attend the Des Moines Cyclone Club summer outing. He spoke about how grateful he was for the opportunity Iowa State gave him, and how tough it was to leave. He then stayed around after the event until the last person who wanted to talk to him had left.

The memories of that event have always stayed with me. Floyd didn't have to come back for that. He didn't have to stick around to shake hands and pose in pictures. But he did.

It shows the level of the man's character and class. I don't think you will see the same from Chizik...

That does say a lot. And I don't remember people going nuclear when Floyd left. I mean, he was hired by a pro team for huge money and he left us with talent, 3 NCAA appearances and a conference tournament championship. He recruited most of the players he had other than his first year also.
 

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Just sayin', there's not a lot of difference between Floyd and Chizik. Well, except that Johnny was forced out, so that Floyd would start off with a stocked roster. But Floyd definitely didn't "finish the job".[/quote]


You are an IDIOT. Floyd won the Big 8 Tournament. Chizik won 5 games.
 

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The difference was that Floyd was a good coach.

He proved himself at ISU, as well as his other schools. I hated to see him go, but that's what happens to good coaches...they move on to better things. I just didn't think that happened to mediocre coaches.

+1

This comparison is very, very foolish.
 

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I think Alford and Chizik is a better comparison.

Alford won some games at Iowa too. Didnt he win a conference title and a couple conference tournys? Heck even he came back to talk to his players.
 

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I talked to Floyd several times at Cyclone functions. Very pleasant to visit with and said the right things when they needed to be said. Great sense of humor.

Can't say I've ever heard that about Chizik.
 

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Right after Floyd took the Bulls job he flew into Des Moines to attend the Des Moines Cyclone Club summer outing. He spoke about how grateful he was for the opportunity Iowa State gave him, and how tough it was to leave. He then stayed around after the event until the last person who wanted to talk to him had left.

The memories of that event have always stayed with me. Floyd didn't have to come back for that. He didn't have to stick around to shake hands and pose in pictures. But he did.

It shows the level of the man's character and class. I don't think you will see the same from Chizik...
That is impressive for him to do that. I had never heard that, and admittedly I was not an ISU fan back then. But just from memory watching the ISU teams on tv back then, there is no way you can't say that Timmy isn't a really good coach. In fact I was reading somewhere that other top coaches at the time had dubbed him "timothy the great", because they all thought it was unbelievable that he was the only coach in our history to win 20 games three seasons in a row.
 
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Floyd left ISU for the Chicago Bulls. I admit I didn't like it at the time, but in hindsight that is a pretty respectable choice. You really can't blame a guy for wanting to pursue a dream like that. I mean, how many college coaches even get a chance to coach at the professional level? Floyd actually TURNED DOWN the kind of career choice that Chizik took: while coaching at ISU, Floyd was offered the HC job at LSU, and he turned it down, while Chizik took the equivelent job at Auburn.

There is no question that, between Chizik and Floyd, Floyd is the much better man. I would not have thought that a few days ago, but it is obvious now.
 

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Floyd was reluctant to come to ISU even though Orr left a good group of players. It seemed like he was looking to leave even before the Bull's job started hanging over the program and this could have hurt the building of a "program" as he recruited and ran off a lot of players/jucos.

I enjoyed the success Floyd had while he was here, but I am not sure he was a great hire (best case scenario to hire a coach) in hind sight considering the state of the program today. Hiring a coach seems like a crap shoot at best.
 

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Both made decisions and took opportunities almost everyone on this board would have done. Don't kid yourselves, everyone on this board knew Chizik was going to take this first opportunity we were just hoping for success first. It sucks but it's life.
 

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Both made decisions and took opportunities almost everyone on this board would have done. Don't kid yourselves, everyone on this board knew Chizik was going to take this first opportunity we were just hoping for success first. It sucks but it's life.

Exactly. With coaches most schools can assume that either they will be successful and possibly hired away or not successful and fired. Only at Iowa State can you be not successful and hired away. It really is unreal.
 

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The difference was that Floyd was a good coach.

He proved himself at ISU, as well as his other schools. I hated to see him go, but that's what happens to good coaches...they move on to better things. I just didn't think that happened to mediocre coaches.

+1 Loved Tim Floyd as ISU's coach and I still think the world of him. He got a shot to coach in the top basketball league in the world. Can't hold it against him. Didn't hurt that he gave us 3 consecutive 20 win seasons + Marcus Fizer, Stevie Johnson, Mike Nurse, and Paul Shirley either.
 

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Floyd was reluctant to come to ISU even though Orr left a good group of players. It seemed like he was looking to leave even before the Bull's job started hanging over the program and this could have hurt the building of a "program" as he recruited and ran off a lot of players/jucos.

I enjoyed the success Floyd had while he was here, but I am not sure he was a great hire (best case scenario to hire a coach) in hind sight considering the state of the program today. Hiring a coach seems like a crap shoot at best.
How can you say he was not a great hire? 3 straight ncaa tourneys and then left plenty of talent for & recommended Eustachy who also led us to great success. You can not blame anyone for Larry's personal shananigan's other than Larry. Apparently some of our fans hate high levels of success! Yeah, I love being last in the big12! Awesome!
 

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Now come on, people, when Tim Floyd started pursuing the Chicago Bulls job, none of us were happy. As a matter of fact, most of us thought he was betraying us, because he was just starting to recruit good players--like this Marcus Fizer kid. And that other kid, the one from Sioux City, Hinrich, was going to be the point guard we needed. And yes, he'd talked about being a Cyclone lifer.

When Floyd left for Chicago, it was a punch in the gut--and not just because Beverly Floyd was gorgeous. He was throwing everything aside that he had come to Ames to do. Sure, Chicago was a great opportunity--but it was obvious that we didn't matter, just his own coaching ambitions.

Well, maybe most of us started to forgive him when the Bulls' best players essentially refused to play for him. Maybe more of us forgave him when he took a beat down with a roster constantly devoid of talent. Maybe even more of us forgave him when Larry Eustachy, his friend and successor, took us to within a heartbeat of the Final Four with the aforementioned Fizer--a year we should have won the whole damn thing.

Well, I dunno about Chizik in ten years, but Tim Floyd has one hell of a lot of cash in his pocket now, is at a glamour (if not an elite) school, and most of us would happily take him back were he to want to return to Ames.

Just sayin', there's not a lot of difference between Floyd and Chizik. Well, except that Johnny was forced out, so that Floyd would start off with a stocked roster. But Floyd definitely didn't "finish the job".

There is one huge difference...Floyd actually had some success at ISU (Sweet 16, Big 8 Tourney Championship, McDonald's AA recruit)...whereas Chizik had no success at ISU.

I have said it before and I will say it again...I do not begrudge coaches for moving around and I fully expected that Chizik would leave sooner rather than later...but I honestly thought that would mean that he would have brought success to ISU FB. He did not.

Just look at the reaction in Auburn...all of their fans know this was a horrible hire for them. Chizik and the administration at AU are on the hot seat right now.
 
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