Carson Epps

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Welcome Carson, please ignore the .001% of fans that feel a need to express their displeasure with a bad season by knocking your committment. I look forward to you being a hell of a receiver for us so I can come back on here in a couple of years and rub their noses in it.
 

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Yeah, the last line of CPR defense.....
2014
SMU and Georgia State won one game in 2014. Both teams are not in power five conferences.
Colorado and ISU won two games in a power five conference in 2014.
Vanderbilt, ISU and Colorado did not win a conference game. ISU did beat a power five school. Colorado beat Hawaii and then UMASS by three points.
Vanderbilt beat FCS Charleston Southern and then UMASS by three points.

2013-2014
Georgia State has won one game in two years. Not a power five.
Idaho has won two games in two years. Not a power five.
Eastern Michigan has won three games in two years. Not a power five.
Purdue has won four games in two years. Power five.
UMASS has won four games in two years. Not a power five.
New Mexico State has won four games in two years. Not a power five.
UCONN, Hawaii, and FIU have won five games in two years. Not power five.
ISU has won five games. Power five.
Kansas has won six games in two years with two coaches. Power five.

Western Michigan went from one win in 2013 to eight in 2014. Plus seven gain.
Air Force went from two wins to ten. Plus eight gain.
California went from one win to five. Plus four gain.
Arkansas went from three wins to seven. Plus four gain.

How many will we win in 2015? You can count New Years as 2015.
Start a new thread. Not the place for more chicken little sky is falling crap.
 

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Welcome, Carson Epps!!

As to Mangino (now I guess it is the Mangino's), he has a history recruiting and evaluating talent. No better evidence than the story behind one of his best at KU, Marcus Henry.

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2004/sep/02/an_impact_player/

"You know it just goes to show you what an inexact science recruiting is," Mangino said. "We spend thousands and thousands of dollars going around the country, calling kids, bringing kids in to visit. One 10-minute phone call and we got an impact player."

Not saying Epps will be the next Marcus Henry. A vast majority of arm-chair recruiting experts or talent evaluators (wannabe GMs in pro-sports) have no freaking clue. They are the ones who are interested in rankings of middle-schoolers & high schoolers and are on the websites checking rankings these players, etc. However there are those who have been in the business & that do know more & Mangino is in that group. He & Tommy want Mr. Epps, then I want him and am glad he is now a Cyclone.
 

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So you think it is sad that someone does not get into insulting our recruits? Or make constantly negative comments about our football program?

Let's say that you met a person who constantly met people and told those people they were ugly and stupid. That they totally sucked at everything and they had no personality. Would you say that person "was just being honest"??? Or would you say that person was a rude *******???

This is more about appropriate behavior towards people and programs and conducting oneself in a proper manner. There is a polite way to give constructive criticism. Unfortunately for many of you, you lack those social skills.

You are losing your grip on reality. It's a football offer list that is quite poor in the big picture, including the ISU offer. It isn't personal at all except to you and your alter ego.
 

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The sad thing is that some of these guys are so desperate to belittle our own football program, that they become enraged when someone calls them on their childish ridicule of the team. Most are from the upcoming "entitled" generation, though sadly not all, and don't have the sense to see the damage they are doing to Iowa State. They think someone "owes" them a great team, but lack the understanding of what it takes to achieve that...clue: tearing down and rebuilding the program repeatedly is not the way. But that's not the real issue. The real issue is that these types of fans feel free to belittle and demean the program, the individual players and the coaches...and think there's no consequence to the future of Iowa State football. Newsflash. There is a consequence and it can involve long term damage to the program.
 

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The sad thing is that some of these guys are so desperate to belittle our own football program, that they become enraged when someone calls them on their childish ridicule of the team. Most are from the upcoming "entitled" generation, though sadly not all, and don't have the sense to see the damage they are doing to Iowa State. They think someone "owes" them a great team, but lack the understanding of what it takes to achieve that...clue: tearing down and rebuilding the program repeatedly is not the way. But that's not the real issue. The real issue is that these types of fans feel free to belittle and demean the program, the individual players and the coaches...and think there's no consequence to the future of Iowa State football. Newsflash. There is a consequence and it can involve long term damage to the program.

You guys just take things far too seriously. I get where you are coming from with the whole attacking the players theme. That's not acceptable on any message board. However, there's a big difference between criticizing the players and coaches performance, or the programs for that matter, and personally attacking them. It doesn't take much to set you and Stormin into defense mode. In fact, it takes very little, and often times the only thing anyone is doing is stating the obvious.

If you prefer to bury your head in the sand then that's on you. You can't expect everyone to share that viewpoint. At some point reality is going to smack you in the face. You can be positive all you want, but that doesn't change facts. No one is saying anything that recruits or players don't already know. They aren't stupid. They know CPR is on the hot seat. They know the program is struggling. Of course fans on a message board are going to be critical of their team if they feel like the program is heading in the wrong direction. That's what fans do. If I'm a player that's what I'd expect them to do. They pay their hard earned money to support the program and attend the games. They deserve to see a better product.
 
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You guys just take things far too seriously. I get where you are coming from with the whole attacking the players theme. That's not acceptable on any message board. However, there's a big difference between criticizing the players and coaches performance, or the programs for that matter, and personally attacking them. It doesn't take much to set you and Stormin into defense mode. In fact, it takes very little, and often times the only thing anyone is doing is stating the obvious.

If you prefer to bury your head in the sand then that's on you. You can't expect everyone to share that viewpoint. At some point reality is going to smack you in the face. You can be positive all you want, but that doesn't change facts. No one is saying anything that recruits or players don't already know. They aren't stupid. They know CPR is on the hot seat. They know the program is struggling. Of course fans on a message board are going to be critical of their team if they feel like the program is heading in the wrong direction. That's what fans do. If I'm a player that's what I'd expect them to do. They pay their hard earned money to support the program and attend the games. They deserve to see a better product.
It was the ridicule of Nigel Tribune offer list on this site that caused him to decommitt. Luckily he recommitted after Rhoads talked him out of it and bashed the posters on this board. And he went on to be a contributer as a true freshman and perhaps now is our best dbacks. So no I don't think it is unreasonable to tell dumbasses to stfu on a recruit thread.
 

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Section 110, you're missing the entire point...either deliberately or unwittingly. Which I don't know. The point is not about criticism...which is often constructive and even necessary...but about childish attacks on players and coaches, and the program in general. The difference between those should be rather clear to those with common sense and a touch of maturity...less so to someone who enjoys denigrating all things ISU.
 

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Section 110, you're missing the entire point...either deliberately or unwittingly. Which I don't know. The point is not about criticism...which is often constructive and even necessary...but about childish attacks on players and coaches, and the program in general. The difference between those should be rather clear to those with common sense and a touch of maturity...less so to someone who enjoys denigrating all things ISU.

How am I missing the point? I think you're missing my point. I said in my post that I agree attacking players is out of bounds. I said I understand where you are coming from with that.

However, you and Stormin have a pattern of getting very defensive whenever anything critical of the program is said. I don't know why you would expect any differently from fans of a program that has had a 3 win season backed up by a 2 win season. That's tough to swallow. Especially when everything was thought to be on the up and up prior to that. I respect the fact you prefer to keep things positive, but with that said you also have to respect the fact others may prefer to be more pointed in their criticism. That's only fair. I get calling them out for making childish attacks. What I don't get is this defense mode that you and Stormin seem to get in all the time. It makes me picture a sky full of arrows coming down on CPR and you and Storming standing above him with shields trying to protect him. Criticism is what happens when you don't live up to the hype. That's not unique to ISU or Cyclone fans.
 

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Sounds like he had practically no stats from his junior year and had a monster senior year. If he didn't hit camps & combines over the summer, I'm not surprised he's under the radar. Currently going through the same thing with my son.

So does he want to be a Cyclone?
 

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Welcome, Carson Epps!!

As to Mangino (now I guess it is the Mangino's), he has a history recruiting and evaluating talent. No better evidence than the story behind one of his best at KU, Marcus Henry.

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2004/sep/02/an_impact_player/



Not saying Epps will be the next Marcus Henry. A vast majority of arm-chair recruiting experts or talent evaluators (wannabe GMs in pro-sports) have no freaking clue. They are the ones who are interested in rankings of middle-schoolers & high schoolers and are on the websites checking rankings these players, etc. However there are those who have been in the business & that do know more & Mangino is in that group. He & Tommy want Mr. Epps, then I want him and am glad he is now a Cyclone.

Thanks, BigLame. You pretty much summed up everything that anyone needs to know regarding this thread and this recruit....
 

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How am I missing the point? I think you're missing my point. I said in my post that I agree attacking players is out of bounds. I said I understand where you are coming from with that.

However, you and Stormin have a pattern of getting very defensive whenever anything critical of the program is said. I don't know why you would expect any differently from fans of a program that has had a 3 win season backed up by a 2 win season. That's tough to swallow. Especially when everything was thought to be on the up and up prior to that. I respect the fact you prefer to keep things positive, but with that said you also have to respect the fact others may prefer to be more pointed in their criticism. That's only fair. I get calling them out for making childish attacks. What I don't get is this defense mode that you and Stormin seem to get in all the time. It makes me picture a sky full of arrows coming down on CPR and you and Storming standing above him with shields trying to protect him. Criticism is what happens when you don't live up to the hype. That's not unique to ISU or Cyclone fans.

LOL, says the Enemy who is Hok from within. Seriously, take your Hok Loving self to the Fire Kirk Ferentz board. I swear, you are only here to stir up **** and be a typical Hok Puke fan. Get LOST already.
 

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How am I missing the point? I think you're missing my point. I said in my post that I agree attacking players is out of bounds. I said I understand where you are coming from with that.

However, you and Stormin have a pattern of getting very defensive whenever anything critical of the program is said. I don't know why you would expect any differently from fans of a program that has had a 3 win season backed up by a 2 win season. That's tough to swallow. Especially when everything was thought to be on the up and up prior to that. I respect the fact you prefer to keep things positive, but with that said you also have to respect the fact others may prefer to be more pointed in their criticism. That's only fair. I get calling them out for making childish attacks. What I don't get is this defense mode that you and Stormin seem to get in all the time. It makes me picture a sky full of arrows coming down on CPR and you and Storming standing above him with shields trying to protect him. Criticism is what happens when you don't live up to the hype. That's not unique to ISU or Cyclone fans.

You have a pattern of being constantly negative. And you are a freaking Hawkeye to boot.

Hell yes you will defend other negative posters because you know that hurts Iowa State. Your team is Iowa.

If I want to express my opinion that you and the other negative posters are ******** for posting the way you do. You should just accept the criticism. Or are you the only ones that can criticize others?

I don't have to accept anything from a Hawkeye. This is Cyclone Nation.

And it is kind of funny how some criticize Carson Epps for lacking bigger offers. Yet they defended Josey Jewell whose lone offer came from Iowa as being a great pickup and a diamond in the rough. Freaking Hawkeye Hypocrites.
 
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I say watch the highlight tape. Kid looks like a solid commitment to me. Who cares who else has offered, I'm glad we are able to get him at this stage of the recruiting process.
 

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You have a pattern of being constantly negative. And you are a freaking Hawkeye to boot.

Hell yes you will defend other negative posters because you know that hurts Iowa State. Your team is Iowa.

If I want to express my opinion that you and the other negative posters are ******** for posting the way you do. You should just accept the criticism. Or are you the only ones that can criticize others?

I don't have to accept anything from a Hawkeye. This is Cyclone Nation.

And it is kind of funny how some criticize Carson Epps for lacking bigger offers. Yet they defended Josey Jewell whose lone offer came from Iowa as being a great pickup and a diamond in the rough. Freaking Hawkeye Hypocrites.

I haven't seen any Hawkeye fans on here criticizing him for lacking bigger offers. I certainly haven't criticized the kid at all. I don't look at stars to determine potential. The main thing stars tell me is how quickly the kid can contribute at the college level. He's a project player. Iowa and ISU both get kids like that. He could end up being a solid contributor after he gets a couple years under his belt.
 

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I live in the Jenks school district and my kids went to Jenks. They have a great football team which is a perennial power. However, virtually every player with D1 potential heads to Norman. The question you have to ask about Epps is this;

There are three D1 programs in the state of Oklahoma, so why didn't even one of them offer the kid?
 

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I live in the Jenks school district and my kids went to Jenks. They have a great football team which is a perennial power. However, virtually every player with D1 potential heads to Norman. The question you have to ask about Epps is this;

There are three D1 programs in the state of Oklahoma, so why didn't even one of them offer the kid?

Neither OU or Okie State had 1 senior on their two-deeps in their respective wide receiver corps this past season.
It is a numbers game & OU has 1 WR & 1 athlete who could potentially be a WR in their class. OSU has 1 WR in their class. Tulsa has 2 athletes in their current recruiting class and like OU & OSU have their entire WR corp returning. It appears a good year to mine the state of Oklahoma for WRs as the in-state schools have no to very little need to add to their respective units.
 

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Neither OU or Okie State had 1 senior on their two-deeps in their respective wide receiver corps this past season.
It is a numbers game & OU has 1 WR & 1 athlete who could potentially be a WR in their class. OSU has 1 WR in their class. Tulsa has 2 athletes in their current recruiting class and like OU & OSU have their entire WR corp returning. It appears a good year to mine the state of Oklahoma for WRs as the in-state schools have no to very little need to add to their respective units.
The Cowboys have just one commitment at WR, true, but are looking to sign another 1 or 2 if possible. If we thought Epps was worth a scholarship, he'd have an offer, two-star or not. We took James Washington last year and offered when he was a small school two-star and now he's our rising star.

Jenks primarily is a factory for D1 defensive players. That's why we took Dylan Harding last year. Tulsa would offer him just as an athlete, before they let a good one go without an offer.

You may have a diamond-in-the-rough, but my guess is the rough is really rough.
 

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