BU KU
- Thread starter ISU_REV
- Start date
In other games, Tech is leading OU 28-25 at the half...
If OSU can somehow manage to beat A&M tomorrow and this weekend A&M beats Baylor and we beat KU, we'll actually get the 2 seed. It's good for Baylor to lose today so that possibility is open, but if A&M wins tomorrow then we need to root for Baylor to beat A&M. Everyone follow? :smile:
A&M loses tomorrow: root for A&M over Baylor Saturday
A&M wins tomorrow: root for Baylor over A&M Saturday
If OSU can somehow manage to beat A&M tomorrow and this weekend A&M beats Baylor and we beat KU, we'll actually get the 2 seed. It's good for Baylor to lose today so that possibility is open, but if A&M wins tomorrow then we need to root for Baylor to beat A&M. Everyone follow? :smile:
A&M loses tomorrow: root for A&M over Baylor Saturday
A&M wins tomorrow: root for Baylor over A&M Saturday
If ISU wins Saturday and Baylor loses, don't we both have 11 - 5 records? And we lost to Baylor. What tiebreaker gives us the advantage? Assuming it must be something with A&M and a three way tie, but I haven't studied the tiebreaker rules like some of you.
Help us out with the explanation. Type real slowly so we can understand! :smile:
Help us out with the explanation. Type real slowly so we can understand! :smile:
It is the three-way tie. You break intra-divisional ties first. A&M holds the tiebreaker over Baylor -- it comes down to the fact that A&M beat Oklahoma. Then we hold the tiebreaker over A&M head-to-head. If it's only us and Baylor tied, then they of course hold the tiebreaker over us.
i'm way confused. mred - can you post the seedings that would result from your last two lines of post #5?
All of this assumes we beat Kansas, not even remotely a certainty the way they're playing.
If A&M loses to OSU tomorrow:
an A&M win over Baylor makes a three-way tie among ISU, A&M, and Baylor, and we get the 2 seed--
2. Iowa State (11 - 5) Defeated Texas A&M based on head-to-head record.
3. Texas A&M (11 - 5) Defeated Baylor based on record against #1 South Division teams. Lost to Iowa State based on head-to-head record.
4. Baylor (11 - 5) Lost to Texas A&M based on record against #1 South Division teams.
an A&M loss to Baylor makes Baylor 12-4 and we get the three seed--
2. Baylor (12 - 4)
3. Iowa State (11 - 5)
4. Texas A&M (10 - 6)
If A&M beats OSU tomorrow:
A Baylor win over A&M puts us in a tie with A&M, which we win for the three seed--
2. Baylor (12 - 4)
3. Iowa State (11 - 5) Defeated Texas A&M based on head-to-head record.
4. Texas A&M (11 - 5) Lost to Iowa State based on head-to-head record.
An A&M win over Baylor puts us in a tie with Baylor, which we lose for the four seed--
2. Texas A&M (12 - 4)
3. Baylor (11 - 5) Defeated Iowa State based on head-to-head record.
4. Iowa State (11 - 5) Lost to Baylor based on head-to-head record.
If A&M loses to OSU tomorrow:
an A&M win over Baylor makes a three-way tie among ISU, A&M, and Baylor, and we get the 2 seed--
2. Iowa State (11 - 5) Defeated Texas A&M based on head-to-head record.
3. Texas A&M (11 - 5) Defeated Baylor based on record against #1 South Division teams. Lost to Iowa State based on head-to-head record.
4. Baylor (11 - 5) Lost to Texas A&M based on record against #1 South Division teams.
an A&M loss to Baylor makes Baylor 12-4 and we get the three seed--
2. Baylor (12 - 4)
3. Iowa State (11 - 5)
4. Texas A&M (10 - 6)
If A&M beats OSU tomorrow:
A Baylor win over A&M puts us in a tie with A&M, which we win for the three seed--
2. Baylor (12 - 4)
3. Iowa State (11 - 5) Defeated Texas A&M based on head-to-head record.
4. Texas A&M (11 - 5) Lost to Iowa State based on head-to-head record.
An A&M win over Baylor puts us in a tie with Baylor, which we lose for the four seed--
2. Texas A&M (12 - 4)
3. Baylor (11 - 5) Defeated Iowa State based on head-to-head record.
4. Iowa State (11 - 5) Lost to Baylor based on head-to-head record.
What is missing is an ISU loss and KSU win on Sat. gives KSU the 4 seed and ISU is the 5 seed.
sweet. Gotcha. But, while it looks promising, the most likely scenario is still the 4th seed. At least right now with Wilson out..... But even so, it's the big 12 and A&M has two games to play in 3 days...so a glimmer of hope 
ouch.
*LA LA LA LA LA LA LA I'M NOT LISTENING LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!! LAH TEE DAH TEE DAH TEE DAH TEE DAAAHH LAAAH TEE DAH LAAAH TEE DAAAAH*
- Mar 23, 2006
- 15,945
- 1,158
- 113
Here are the scenarios if ISU loses to KU:
Colorado beats KSU, A&M loses two games: We tie A&M for #3 and win the tiebreaker--
3. Iowa State (10 - 6) Defeated Texas A&M based on head-to-head record.
4. Texas A&M (10 - 6) Lost to Iowa State based on head-to-head record.
5. Kansas State (9 - 7)
Colorado beats KSU, A&M wins at least one: We are alone in 4th--
4. Iowa State (10 - 6)
5. Kansas State (9 - 7)
KSU beats Colorado, A&M loses both: We are in a three-way tie for third.KSU beats us because they swept Kansas and we lost one to them. A&M beats KSU head-to-head, so we are the 5 seed--
3. Texas A&M (10 - 6) Defeated Kansas State based on head-to-head record.
4. Kansas State (10 - 6) Defeated Iowa State based on record against #3 North Division teams. Lost to Texas A&M based on head-to-head record.
5. Iowa State (10 - 6) Lost to Kansas State based on record against #3 North Division teams.
KSU beats Colorado, A&M wins at least one: We are tied for #4 with KSU. They beat us (same reason as above) so we are the 5 seed--
4. Kansas State (10 - 6) Defeated Iowa State based on record against #3 North Division teams.
5. Iowa State (10 - 6) Lost to Kansas State based on record against #3 North Division teams.
If we win, the most likely scenario is a 4 seed with KSU the 5 seed. If we lose, the most likely scenario is a 5 seed with KSU the 4 seed. Either way, we'll likely be playing KSU in the quarterfinals with the winner getting Oklahoma in the semis.
The Kansas game may do little more than determine whether we get a first round bye or play Colorado.
The Kansas game may do little more than determine whether we get a first round bye or play Colorado.
Last edited:
Then you understand why I wrote the bracket generator to automate a lot of this.
mred's Big 12 Tournament Bracket Generator
