We weren't booing Lee, we just wanted to let the refs know we were still here actually.
Brackins vs. Aldrich debate
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We weren't booing Lee, we just wanted to let the refs know we were still here actually.
Aldrich is just plain awful. He could not stay with VanDerBeken. If JVB could hit the open shots that he has been hitting all season, he would have schooled Aldrich, and we would have won, going away. He just couldn't buy a shot. Either the way, the reason ku won had nothing to do with any of their worthless post players. It had to do with Collins making everything early and us missing 20 3-pointers, probably about half of them wide open...
I realize that, but no one has really pointed out any evidence outside of today's game that says Brackins is better. I've pointed out many stats that suggest Aldrich is better. And I've pointed out opinions from three seperate NBA draft scouts that say Aldrich is better. And one (maybe the best) college analyst said Aldrich is near the top of big men in the country, putting him ahead of Thabeet, who is projected as a top 5 pick in next years draft.
The ISU fans in the thread haven't pointed out any other sources other than one box score and their own biased opinions.
16 points, 12 rebounds, and holding your man to 2 of 8 3-point shooting is awful. Only on CF.
You don't have to be here. It's not like your opinion will be missed. Go get lost in a wheat field. I hope his mom didn't read his lips to what he was saying to CA!
Aldrich is a great player...trust your eyes though...he's better defensively and much, much stronger...otherwise-Brackins is as good as him or better in every facet of the game...you couldn't possibly have watched that game and came out of it saying Aldrich is...1-as explosive as Brackins 2-as good of a ballhandler of Brackins 3-has as good of interior moves as Brackins 4-has as good of touch as Brackins 5-has as good of mid-range to outside game as Brackins...
Give Brackins Aldrich's supporting staff, and his ppg might go down...but his fg percentage skyrockets...and the national pundits talk much, much, much more about him.
Put Aldrich on ISU, and I promise he's not putting up 42 and 14 on Kansas...he also probably isn't getting near the amount of talk he's getting now nationally-or ranked as high by nba draft "experts" (that had DeAndre Jordan as a top 10 pick)...
Give Brackins Aldrich's supporting staff, and his ppg might go down...but his fg percentage skyrockets...and the national pundits talk much, much, much more about him.
Put Aldrich on ISU, and I promise he's not putting up 42 and 14 on Kansas...he also probably isn't getting near the amount of talk he's getting now nationally-or ranked as high by nba draft "experts" (that had DeAndre Jordan as a top 10 pick)...
They are two different players. As for who's better, it truly depends on what you're looking for.
Both will play in the NBA. But, the reason Aldrich is on most draft sites boards and not Brackins is in large part due to exposure. He was helped out a bunch with the way he played in the NCAA tournament on national TV. Craig hasn't been on national TV really at all, except for today. Scouts know about him for sure though and he should get a big boost on the NBA draft sites after today. Not that those really mean anything.( A good example from last year is Jason Thompson...he was a 6'11 center from Rider who came into the year as a virtual unknown by the draft sites, most didn't have him listed at all, he climbed up the ranks, eventually being taken #14 by the Kings.)
As for Aldrich, it is clear he has improved his skills quite a bit from last season.
I would love to have him on Iowa State as would any school. He's a true 7 footer that can move his feet pretty well, rebounds every night and can make an open jumper. He's solid all the way around and is a good defender. He matched up with Brackins only a handful of times and on one occasion blocked CB's shot in a one-on-one situation.
NBA people like Aldrich because he can play the center spot, and there are not too many true centers out there.
But, Craig plays a different position..he is the prototypical new-age big forward. And thus it's hard to compare.
In terms of value, true centers are harder to find than a forward. So, if they were to both be in the draft, Aldrich would more than likely get drafted first, but that's not to say he is a better player. It just depends on what you need on your team.
If you want to read more on Brackins' ability to play in the NBA..feel free and visit the blog below.
Both will play in the NBA. But, the reason Aldrich is on most draft sites boards and not Brackins is in large part due to exposure. He was helped out a bunch with the way he played in the NCAA tournament on national TV. Craig hasn't been on national TV really at all, except for today. Scouts know about him for sure though and he should get a big boost on the NBA draft sites after today. Not that those really mean anything.( A good example from last year is Jason Thompson...he was a 6'11 center from Rider who came into the year as a virtual unknown by the draft sites, most didn't have him listed at all, he climbed up the ranks, eventually being taken #14 by the Kings.)
As for Aldrich, it is clear he has improved his skills quite a bit from last season.
I would love to have him on Iowa State as would any school. He's a true 7 footer that can move his feet pretty well, rebounds every night and can make an open jumper. He's solid all the way around and is a good defender. He matched up with Brackins only a handful of times and on one occasion blocked CB's shot in a one-on-one situation.
NBA people like Aldrich because he can play the center spot, and there are not too many true centers out there.
But, Craig plays a different position..he is the prototypical new-age big forward. And thus it's hard to compare.
In terms of value, true centers are harder to find than a forward. So, if they were to both be in the draft, Aldrich would more than likely get drafted first, but that's not to say he is a better player. It just depends on what you need on your team.
If you want to read more on Brackins' ability to play in the NBA..feel free and visit the blog below.
Aldrich just is not good. Half of his points today came on shots he had no business making. He's got terrible form. I liken him to Alex Thompson overall, with better hands...
Good analysis on the Blum post, and the website. I also enjoyed your podcast. I'll probably listen to more of them in the future.
I think the Darrell Arthur comparison is pretty accurate, having watched both players quite a bit. I think Brackins is about what Darrell Arthur would be if he were the only option on his team. Arthur was probably option #3 at best while he was at KU, but I think if you put them in a similar situation, they are a similar player with Arthur probably getting a slight nod for a little more raw talent.
I think the Darrell Arthur comparison is pretty accurate, having watched both players quite a bit. I think Brackins is about what Darrell Arthur would be if he were the only option on his team. Arthur was probably option #3 at best while he was at KU, but I think if you put them in a similar situation, they are a similar player with Arthur probably getting a slight nod for a little more raw talent.
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Cole Aldrich is a very very good college basketball player and will be a very good NBA player. I don't understand why you guys are so scared to admit that. Aldrich and Brackins have very different styles of play and it doesn't really matter who's better.
Did you really just liken a future lottery pick to Alex Thompson? I would venture to say Brackins didn't have any business making a lot of his shots today too. Both Brackins and Aldrich need work on their form, Aldrich's is just more painful to watch.
Cole's 16 points today... were more than ISU's starters not named Brackins. Peterson, Staiger, Garrett, and Hamilton combined for 13 pts on 4 of 20 shooting. Cole's 12 rebounds were more than the 9 rebounds those 4 combined for. But Yeah Cole sucked I wish he'd transfer
No one really said he sucked besides one or two people. He's pretty good but nothing special. He's tall, and has a pretty good shot but his form is horrid. So go troll KU boards. Thanks.
Do you not know how to read? Are you from Missouri? I never said he was a bad player FFS. I don't watch any games really besides Iowa State. I dislike Self and KU so I don't watch them. It's alright we got into Cole's head today.
Once again, only 1 or 2 people have said he is a bad player. I would take him over Hamilton in a heartbeat. All people are saying is that we think Brackins is better.
