Bowl and NCAA in same year?

When will we make a bowl and MBB NCAA in the same year

  • this year (2009-10)

    Votes: 37 43.0%
  • 2010-11

    Votes: 11 12.8%
  • 2011-12

    Votes: 15 17.4%
  • 2012-2013

    Votes: 18 20.9%
  • Never

    Votes: 5 5.8%

  • Total voters
    86

MontyBurns

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Seriously, dude, there are some of us that may or may not agree with some of JP's decisions, but we would like to see JP succeed (whether he can or not is to be seen). I get the feeling you would whether see ISU lose than to see JP succeed in something.

Whether he can or not has been seen. He is going into year 4. He may think he gets four "first years" like McDermott, but he does not. So far he has gutted and rebuilt every major program except women's basketball. Not only did he make each one worse with his changes, they have continued to get worse with each successive year. To top it off he has wasted over $4 million in 4 years firing coaches, he has raised prices to the highest level in our history while simultaneously reducing performance to the lowest, he gave an unproven Big 12 head coach a ridiculous 9-year contract, he gave a 2-10 football coach a contract extension while conveniently forgetting to mention it to the fans or media, and he he has embarrassed us with a long list of follies that range from providing opponents bulletin board material with his billboard to the mismatched uniform fiascos to the mismanaged donation/reseating of Jack Trice to insulting fans who criticize or boo (his infamous ticket holders "they don't pay the bills") quote. Enough is enough. I have nothing against Pollard personally, I think he is a fine family man and he is probably a good administrator/bureaucrat. I am sure he did and would do a fine job as an assistant AD somewhere like Wisconsin, where they had a strong, charismatic, sports- and coaching-savvy leader like Barry Alvarez as AD. And that's what we need as our AD -- a leader, not a bureaucrat.
 

jaretac

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Whether he can or not has been seen. He is going into year 4. He may think he gets four "first years" like McDermott, but he does not. So far he has gutted and rebuilt every major program except women's basketball. Not only did he make each one worse with his changes, they have continued to get worse with each successive year. To top it off he has wasted over $4 million in 4 years firing coaches, he has raised prices to the highest level in our history while simultaneously reducing performance to the lowest, he gave an unproven Big 12 head coach a ridiculous 9-year contract, he gave a 2-10 football coach a contract extension while conveniently forgetting to mention it to the fans or media, and he he has embarrassed us with a long list of follies that range from providing opponents bulletin board material with his billboard to the mismatched uniform fiascos to the mismanaged donation/reseating of Jack Trice to insulting fans who criticize or boo (his infamous ticket holders "they don't pay the bills") quote. Enough is enough. I have nothing against Pollard personally, I think he is a fine family man and he is probably a good administrator/bureaucrat. I am sure he did and would do a fine job as an assistant AD somewhere like Wisconsin, where they had a strong, charismatic, sports- and coaching-savvy leader like Barry Alvarez as AD. And that's what we need as our AD -- a leader, not a bureaucrat.

You didn't answer my question so I'll ask it again.

Hypothetically, if you could chose between JP succeeding at ISU starting this year with bowl wins and NCAA appearances, or firing JP now knowing that it would take several more years to correct all the things JP "messed up" and thus not winning for a few years, which would you chose?
 

MontyBurns

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You didn't answer my question so I'll ask it again.

Hypothetically, if you could chose between JP succeeding at ISU starting this year with bowl wins and NCAA appearances, or firing JP now knowing that it would take several more years to correct all the things JP "messed up" and thus not winning for a few years, which would you chose?

How is that "succeeding"? That would be getting us back to where we were when Jamie arrived. I do not call that succeeding for a guy who promised to take "the next big step" and spent a fortune to do so.
 

clones_jer

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You didn't answer my question so I'll ask it again.

Hypothetically, if you could chose between JP succeeding at ISU starting this year with bowl wins and NCAA appearances, or firing JP now knowing that it would take several more years to correct all the things JP "messed up" and thus not winning for a few years, which would you chose?

JP suceeding is nothing but hypothetical at this point :no:

That said, I hope he does in 09-10 because as others have stated we're going to be hurting in the next couple years. Brackins likely gone, Gilstrap 1 and done, Football schedule can only get harder.
 

jaretac

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How is that "succeeding"? That would be getting us back to where we were when Jamie arrived. I do not call that succeeding for a guy who promised to take "the next big step" and spent a fortune to do so.

Man, you sure are ignoring the question aren't you. Did I specify what kind of bowl wins or how far we would go in the tourney? No, you came up with that answer on your own and still didn't answer my question.
 
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MontyBurns

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Man, you sure are ignoring the question aren't you. Did I specify what kind of bowl wins or how far we would go in the tourney? No, you came up with that answer on your own and still didn't answer my question.

Your question is unanswerable because you ask about success without defining success. From the blanket statement of "bowl game and NCAA tournament" I guess you mean any bowl game like Shreveport or Houston and any 1st round NCAA tournament appearance (loss). Unfortunately most posters probably agree that would be success. The problem is we had that -- regularly -- before JP arrived and spent a fortune of our money promising, and I quote, "the next big step". So why don't you restate your question with some specifics. I, for one, would not consider JP to be successful if he is only able to get the athletic department back to where it was when he arrived after all of his spending and promises.
 

jaretac

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Your question is unanswerable because you ask about success without defining success. From the blanket statement of "bowl game and NCAA tournament" I guess you mean any bowl game like Shreveport or Houston and any 1st round NCAA tournament appearance (loss). Unfortunately most posters probably agree that would be success. The problem is we had that -- regularly -- before JP arrived and spent a fortune of our money promising, and I quote, "the next big step". So why don't you restate your question with some specifics. I, for one, would not consider JP to be successful if he is only able to get the athletic department back to where it was when he arrived after all of his spending and promises.

Whatever definition you want. Right now it seems like you are just trying to twist things around so you don't have to answer.
 

Rogue52

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Why is there this assumption that MB goes to the tournament this year? What evidence is there that suggests that? I agree there is an outside chance just as I think a bowl game is an outside chance in football.

Also, I love Coach Rhoads, but if Chizik taught me one thing, it's not to expect much out of a first year coach. Chizik came in with a decent group of seniors and got pummeled by UNI.
 

Farnsworth

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not reading 3 pages of this failure of a forum, but if u think we are gonna make the tourney and a bowl game anytime soon, hook me up with whatever u are smoking.
 

MontyBurns

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Whatever definition you want. Right now it seems like you are just trying to twist things around so you don't have to answer.

Dude -- you asked the question a question about "success". Next time, don't ask questions about things you can't define. It makes you look foolish.
 

jaretac

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Dude -- you asked the question a question about "success". Next time, don't ask questions about things you can't define. It makes you look foolish.

It doesn't matter what level of success as long as it is hypothetically the same in both scenarios. The fact that you couldn't figure that out tells me alot about some of your posts.
 

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