Blalock hires agent 05/09.........

[Jer]

I think both had a lot more potential coming in then they exhibited while here. I remember watching them the start of their freshman season and thinking we struck gold. I personally think their play and skill levels have dropped since their freshman year though.

I really don't think that either of them would have won us any more games next year than we're already looking to win. Curtis can make a play but often came way too short. He would make one great play but would throw two other offensive sets away to get it. Curtis is way to concerned with looking good rather than making the best decision. I don't think he sees the court in the same way that Tinsley or some others have.

Blalock is fairly consistent but he's not a real slasher and can't hit the three well enough consistently. He has some great ball controll and won't make stupid plays. He doesn't however make plays on his own either.

When you add up the pros and cons of each, I think we can be more effective with a three, four, or five guard roation with our players next year than we would have been with just Curtis and Will with Degand as a backup.

 

[jay moe]

I agree. They were good players for ISU, but neither one of them was an All Big XII selection. Stinson's skills actually regressed as he became less and less disciplined and Blalock played better when Stinson wasn't on the floor. I wish they hadn't made the decision to jump, which in my mind, is a mistake, I don't think either is an NBA caliber guard. However, I do wish them luck making a roster and will look for them in box scores and highlights.

 

[CTAClone]

I agree that after their freshman year we thought we struck gold. I myself was getting tired of the Curtis Stinson show everytime ISU played on national TV. All they could talk about was Stinson when I think Blalock was the more consistent of the two.

I think Blalock has a way better chance of making a NBA team. His speed alone would be a great assett. I don't see him faring any worse than the Laker's Smoosh Parker.

 

[Psyclone]

I think both of these guys were good players, but last year because of the make-up of the team, they just had to carry too much of the load. They weren't good enought to do it themselves. Not many players are.

What really seemed to happen in the later stages of the game is the others on the team put it in the guards hands. Some think Stinson tried to do it himself, and that may be true, but I would maintain that the big guys weren't wiling to step up. And really you wouldn't expect first year players to try to take the game over. Of course everyone knew late in the game, Stinson would be the playmaker, so we became very easy to defend.

So while I won't trash our NBA wanna-be's for the disappointing season, I also don't see them in an NBA uniform. Of course I've never been very good at projecting NBA players. Who would have ever thought Hornacek was NBA material?

 

[dbronco7sc]

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I think both of these guys were good players, but last year because of the make-up of the team, they just had to carry too much of the load. They weren't good enought to do it themselves. Not many players are.

What really seemed to happen in the later stages of the game is the others on the team put it in the guards hands. Some think Stinson tried to do it himself, and that may be true, but I would maintain that the big guys weren't wiling to step up. And really you wouldn't expect first year players to try to take the game over. Of course everyone knew late in the game, Stinson would be the playmaker, so we became very easy to defend.

So while I won't trash our NBA wanna-be's for the disappointing season, I also don't see them in an NBA uniform. Of course I've never been very good at projecting NBA players. Who would have ever thought Hornacek was NBA material?
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That sums up my feelings too... I somewhat think Morgan is a little at fault for not having a big ready for big 12 play by the time homan left. That in my opinion was bad recruiting to expect freshmen to carry such a burden. Curtis and Will tried to take it upon themselves to help out down low, and in turn left their guys open on the perimeter to drain the three.

 

[CloneFan65]

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[discombobulated]

Well as as frosh wb played very limited minutes due to people being ahead of him in terms of seniority. I personally thought had he played more, we may have made the actual tourney and made noise there. My fear is that we will never see two players of this caliber on our team again, or at least for a long, long time. I mean both swear, both are older, one has several tats, neither is from iowa or dreamed of playing for the clones.
As much as I enjoy wb, i will be sitting in the corner laughing at all of the CS haters next year as they watch a team with no one near his level. I know after the camp when they both wow all of the scouts (they have rondo and roy in the top ten, cs and wb are far better players than either) they will sit back and laugh at all of you haters (escpecially cs) in thier mansion when then catch the only highlight of the year for us next year, when KU stomps us by 50.

 

[aklclone]

Actually, I think Kansas will be the big 12 team Gmac’s style will beat the most out of the top teams in the big 12. I know self can recruit, but he has not shown that he can coach. Of course Kansas can flat out play against athletic teams because they have some of the best athletes in the country. BUT, look at their looses the last two years. They have been to have less athletic teams (many mid-majors) that slow the game down and play hard nosed. I expect that is what you will see on the court next year, so I will remind you that we lost by 50 when we pull off a win next year or at least a close game. Plus, have you seen half the new guys yet, wait until we know what we have before throwing them under the bus.

 

[Kyle]

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I really don't think that either of them would have won us any more games next year than we're already looking to win. Curtis can make a play but often came way too short.[/b][/quote] I think this is way to optimistic. The addition of those two would make almost any team better and I think would move us from a hopefully respectable showing next year to a top 20 team.
You also mention Blaylocks three point shooting, but didn't he hit over 40%?

 

[benjay]

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As much as I enjoy wb, i will be sitting in the corner laughing at all of the CS haters next year as they watch a team with no one near his level. I know after the camp when they both wow all of the scouts (they have rondo and roy in the top ten, cs and wb are far better players than either) they will sit back and laugh at all of you haters (escpecially cs) in thier mansion when then catch the only highlight of the year for us next year, when KU stomps us by 50.
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I seriously doubt they are as bitter towards Iowa State as you are. Do not drag them to your level.

 

[discombobulated]

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I seriously doubt they are as bitter towards Iowa State as you are. Do not drag them to your level.
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I know CS has every right to be, yet another superstar the fans as a whole have treated quite badly. Fans yelled at him, fans posted online that he sucked. For whatever reason, a lot of fans feel so entitled that even when he got a triple double, very few even aknowledged it (I was the 1 person giving him a standing O), and in a year or two people will be begging to have a nother player nearly as good. I wonder if any of you haters ever wonder why none of our old players never come back. Could it be the tendicy to run them all out of town with the good riddence, he sucks anyways comments?

 

[dbronco7sc]

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I think this is way to optimistic. The addition of those two would make almost any team better and I think would move us from a hopefully respectable showing next year to a top 20 team.
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I agree that they would make a team better, and I would like to see them back. BUT... if they thought we would be a top 20 team by coming back, then they probably would have. They want to raise their stock in the NBA... And being a top 20 team would do that. However, I think they felt that given who they had... and how they performed this year... how could they expect to be THAT much better. So they made it vocal they were planning on leaving, and a few other guys followed after the WM fire... and left McD no choice but to bring in some new guys. After some new guys were brought in... it seems like EVERYONE (except maybe Stinson due to personal reasons) became more interested in staying... instead of everyone leaving on the spot... everyone dragged it out because they seemed to like what McD was doing. But unfortunately in the end... they decided to stick with leaving which they had planned on from the beginning. I think McD did anyone could to keep the guys he wanted to keep... (and I wouldn't want to keep Westbrook either if it means we would have to start and give 30 mins playing time to a freshman)

 

[CyinCo]

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I seriously doubt they are as bitter towards Iowa State as you are.  Do not drag them to your level.
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I know CS has every right to be, yet another superstar the fans as a whole have treated quite badly. Fans yelled at him, fans posted online that he sucked. For whatever reason, a lot of fans feel so entitled that even when he got a triple double, very few even aknowledged it (I was the 1 person giving him a standing O), and in a year or two people will be begging to have a nother player nearly as good. I wonder if any of you haters ever wonder why none of our old players never come back. Could it be the tendicy to run them all out of town with the good riddence, he sucks anyways comments?
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Discomb...you say all this stuff and I think its great you come to their defense, as they deserve it.  But you are being very hypocritical by calling out those posters who hate on players.  Currently, I would say you are one of the biggest "haters" on this board.  So why is it if people posted bad things about CS and WB, its wrong, but when you post all kinds of nasty things about this coming recruiting class and current coaching staff, its ok?  Its so hypocritical.  Two posts ago, didn't you say we were going to get stomped by 50?  How is that being supportive to anyone associated with this program right now?

 

[soccercy]

Who was ever running Hornacek, Grayer, Stevens, Hoiberg, Fizer, Tinsley, or any of those guys out of town? What are you talking about dis? ISU fans embrace their star players generally, but the difference with those guys is that they won, they competed for titles. And they didn't mope down the floor while complaining to the refs. Dis, are you buddies with the guys that are leaving? I think our post players showed plenty of ability to hit the 10-15 ft jumpshots throughout games, but down the stretch, after the ball crossed midcourt, the ball never left the hands of WB or CS, whoever took it downcourt.
No one ripped on Fizer when he left early, he was wished good luck. He won, he always played hard.

 

[benjay]

Discombobulated, nobody's being negative except you. Nobody's even "hating" on Stinson or Blalock. We love them as players and as people, and we wish them the best at the next level. You're being hypersensative if you think someone saying they won't get drafted means they hate them.

 

[melkor]

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Discombobulated, nobody's being negative except you. Nobody's even "hating" on Stinson or Blalock. We love them as players and as people, and we wish them the best at the next level. You're being hypersensative if you think someone saying they won't get drafted means they hate them.
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There are a lot of people hating on Curtis, Will and Others. Maybe not in this post, but in several others on this site and other sites.

 

[Wesley]

I only need ask ther group what kind of season we would have had last year if neither WB or CS played?

We wish all Cyclones the best. Just the fact they came to our school was a compliment.

The one fellow over at Iowa, Haruska, we wish him the best.

At the same time, Curtis or Will may not be drafted. That was their choice. Curtis needed the money for his family. However, Will's parents were surprised by their son's decision. The fact those two roomed together was the probable reason that Will left. Curtis told him what the deal was in NBA and Will became confident to follow in the same path. Will probably left because of better knowledge/co0nfidence of the draft situation from his roomie. Will or Curtis may end up first playing in Europe with Homan. Time will tell. Yet both players are fairly strong physically and that will help them play at NBA level.

A puzzle. Both declared for the draft and within two days WM had been fired. Did JM decide the team would not be very good without the two stars, and since WM was going to be removed the next year anyway, just fire him now? Or was WM told of his imminent departure previously if he did not get to the NIT? WM looked very woeful just before the NIT seedings were announced. Could he have had a JP/WM chat just before the weekend announcement of NCAA/NIT? Those seven days all seem so strange after Cyclones lost 79-70.

 

[BryceC]

Actually they both declared before Wayne was fired. I remember that week well, as the hits kept comin'.

 

[Wesley]

Maybe WM told Will and Curtis that WM was on thin ice since they missed the NIT/NCAA. And that was the straw that broke the camel's back to go pro. Any real WM sightings besides the following from Google?


Wayne Morgan, MD is Professor of Pediatrics and Physiology and Chief of Pediatric Pulmonary Medicine at the University of Arizona. Dr. Morgan’s clinical interests include asthma, cystic fibrosis, bronchopulmonary dysplasia, and pediatric sleep medicine. He is nationally recognized for his expertise as a respiratory physiologist and has helped to develop innovative lung function testing methods for infants and young children. He is a core member of the research team conducting the Tucson Childrens Respiratory Study.

 

[JCloned]

Some of you may be surprised at where Blaylock ends up in the draft. NBA tends to draft on two things, potential and numbers. The numbers they use are not points per game. Yeah they will look at Will's shooting percentage -but that is correctable in their eyes. He does things that matter in the NBA that can not be taught. For example, vertical leap is an important metric that they will be measuring. Will had the highest vertical on team (higher than Rashon) and higher than all 1srt round draft picks last year. For NBA point guard raw speed is also a measure they look at closely. Will will move up the charts on speed. Non-numeric, is ability to see the floor and distribute - name more than 2 point guards in the draft that see the floor and can distribute as well as Blaylock? Only negative on Blaylock in NBA eyes will be his height. Very often, you see the less hearlded guys - particularly guards excel in the NBA, while the many college stars never make it. It really is a different game and when you listen to NBA scouts they talk more about the numbers they believe matter in the NBA, and the potential they see. They will overlook shooting everytime. (And Will is not a bad shot, average at worst)

Because Will is more unknown and was not expected to come out, he is a guy that people haven't fully evaluated yet. When they do, I think you will see him move up the charts...definitiely into being drafted and higher than many might think.