I remember when it was said that we would never replace David Montgomery. And never replace Kempt when he went down with injury. Coach Campbell reloads.
Big XII to add schools within days?
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I remember when it was said that we would never replace David Montgomery. And never replace Kempt when he went down with injury. Coach Campbell reloads.
I think it would hurt the BIGs wingmen more than OSU. Say Cincy joined the SEC. they’d get a few mutual recruits, but it’s the mid pack teams that would have real trouble
Not sure if this has been posted, but the financial situation doesn't appear to be quite as grim as some expect (if their numbers are correct). And I don't think this accounts for any exit fees, etc.
The New Big 12's Revenue Potential; Six Additions Instead Of Four?
SicEm365 has continued to receive more details and clarification on the expansion process and what could be on the horizon.sicem365.com
"Not as grim" perhaps, but surely falling even further behind as most other leagues (save perhaps the ACC) are due for big raises in their next round of TV negotiations.
Thanks for sharing.
Either that includes T3 or ESPN prefers to pay the conference an annual settlement over ligation
This points to there being a P2 +3 until it’s decided what to do with the Pac 12 (USC). That answer will also determine if the ACC reaches its GOR imo
Miami is probably the strangest of all teams. Every team has some mix of regional interest and national interest. I would say Miami is on the far end of CFB teams in terms of ratio of national: regional interest. They don't draw great crowds, and despite finishing unranked something like 11 of the last 15 years they are still a pretty decent TV draw. Oregon is something toward that spectrum too.
Then there are teams like Washington that have very good local appeal, are very well respected locally, but don't seem to have much interest nationally at all.
Some teams it's hard to judge what kind of "brand" the school actually has because we haven't seen enough down or mediocre years to test it. Prior to the last decade Clemson wasn't a national brand. They were a good program that was recognized, but even when they were solid, it took them winning national titles. Michigan hasn't really been nationally relevant on the field for a long time. Even with some bad stretches with Hoke and RichRod, they still draw incredible national interest.
Also, Wisconsin has elevated themselves to be up there in tier 2 with Michigan and Penn State. They get great viewership. It's taken a lot of consistent success, and it helps being in a reasonably high population state without any other FBS programs.
well then I will expect to see us rated at worst 7th next year in all the preseason polls then.
Kansas basketball not a 'national brand'?
Before you say 'oh, I was talklng football'-- USC and UCLA are very debatable 70's brands.
I doubt the PAC 12 is due for a big raise. I think we can function at a pretty high level on this playing field, even if we're not in the richest tier. FWIW, I'd still prefer a B1G invite, but if this is the worst case scenario, it's not nearly as bad as I expected.
Big part of the reason they still draw interest is that people love seeing once great teams falter. Its why people love rooting against the cowboys and yankees. Teams that were once great that are now overhyped and have obnoxious fans are perfect fodder for espn to get rantings.
I was talking football, the 80% moneymaker. In MBB of course KU is a national brand. And sorry, but in football USC is still very much a national brand.
I'm not sure if this will come to pass, but it's certainly plausible. Definitely going to 12 (with these 4) appears better than languishing and holding on at 8 for a while. If it does come to pass, we're in a great position to fill that gap. Talking optimistically here: but this expansion could be a great thing for us to fill the vacuum as long as Campbell stays!
All the while, we keep our head on a swivel and still look out for ourselves first, but the complainers hoping for a BIG invite or PAC-12 - we could be waiting forever and it may never come. I like this aggressive move and particularly like BYU and Cincy. It strikes me as better than doing nothing.
One of my favorite moments this weekend was then the turnover got called back and they had to put that thing back in the box.
I'm wondering why people think the Pac 12 is due for a "big raise" this next round while simultaneously thinking the new Big 12 is going to tank. It makes no sense. One or the other has to be wrong. ISU and Okie St. would be right behind USC and Oregon in TV viewership, and I suspect BYU would be right there with UW.
Sorry, but the PACs network games last year outside of USC and Oregon sucked. And their games with Oregon and USC were barely better than ISU and Okie State EVEN OMITTING OU and UT GAMES!
Either the PAC is NOT going to get a big raise, and USC and Oregon are going to absolutely have a wandering eye, or the new Big 12 is going to be better off than people are projecting.
There's this fantasy that the PAC deal was old and Larry Scott was a moron, so they negotiated a terrible deal. No, your product kind of sucks, PAC, that's the problem.
Will be interesting to write up the winners and losers in all of this when latest round ends for a few years.
So far as a realignment junkie/gawker I have Idaho Vandals as the ultimate losers and Rutgers as the ultimate completely lucky fell into a good situation for no real reason.
Idaho basically got demoted from FBS with MWC reforming without them leaving them no regional FBS teams to share a conference with.
Rutgers was in all likelihood not getting an ACC invite the way Pitt, Syracuse and eventually Louisville did. The ACC already had the Northeast market as much as anyone, their programs were not marquee, they don't bring a lot of real eyeballs or ticket sales...it was a brief moment in time where the tv market was calculated in a pretty irrational way that they capitalized on and basically went from American Athletic to Big Ten.
Tons of teams in between those two but I can't think of more fortunate and unfortunate. A few teams like WVU, TCU, Cincy and BYU have had wild ups and downs. Teams like ISU/KSU/KU/OKState have just been in permenent phase of 'hang on' that seems to continue. USF and UConn technically got a demotion but they were only "BCS" for a short time and the conference was a shell.
Others like Colorado, Missouri and Nebraska won stability but their programs are certainly not thriving, especially in football. If someone told you ISU's football program in the Big 12 would be objectively stronger than those three when they all bolted nobody would believe it.
So far as a realignment junkie/gawker I have Idaho Vandals as the ultimate losers and Rutgers as the ultimate completely lucky fell into a good situation for no real reason.
Idaho basically got demoted from FBS with MWC reforming without them leaving them no regional FBS teams to share a conference with.
Rutgers was in all likelihood not getting an ACC invite the way Pitt, Syracuse and eventually Louisville did. The ACC already had the Northeast market as much as anyone, their programs were not marquee, they don't bring a lot of real eyeballs or ticket sales...it was a brief moment in time where the tv market was calculated in a pretty irrational way that they capitalized on and basically went from American Athletic to Big Ten.
Tons of teams in between those two but I can't think of more fortunate and unfortunate. A few teams like WVU, TCU, Cincy and BYU have had wild ups and downs. Teams like ISU/KSU/KU/OKState have just been in permenent phase of 'hang on' that seems to continue. USF and UConn technically got a demotion but they were only "BCS" for a short time and the conference was a shell.
Others like Colorado, Missouri and Nebraska won stability but their programs are certainly not thriving, especially in football. If someone told you ISU's football program in the Big 12 would be objectively stronger than those three when they all bolted nobody would believe it.
If this happens, is because a settlement was reached allowing for the financial stability of the wronged 8.
