Big XII to add schools within days?

[usedcarguy]

It seems we're going to really change a lot like the Big East did. Pac and ACC are fooling themselves if they don't think they can be Big East 3.0 with a few key defections.

Here's as pertains to only Big East football in terms of the rapid instability.

2004:
Lose Miami and VTech
Add UConn as football program (was already non football)

2005:
Lose BC

2006:
Add Cincy, USF, Louisville

2012:
Lose WVU

2013:
Lose Syracuse, Pitt

2013: Dissolves as football conference

2014:
After one year in first year of American former Big East Louisville also joints ACC
After one year in first year of American former Big East Rutgers also joints Big Ten

UConn, USF and Cincy left holding the bag in American Athletic as the three short term Big East football programs that didn't end up in a traditional power conference, UConn eventually drops out of American to be an independent. In the end USF/Cincy just went up quickly and back to they were and the rest of the conference got absorbed mostly by ACC but 2 teams to B12/B10.

What will happen is the American will get a boost eventually from half of the new Big 12 joining with them if 3-6 Big 12 teams join Pac/B10/ACC, some of those teams will no doubt be American teams going back to American...or the Big 12 could keep Big 12 but with names like Kansas/KSU or OK State or IA State possibly gone it'll be nothing like the Big 12 or Big 8.

The only thing I really don't see is the SEC taking any of the New Big 12 or this new big 12 lasting for a decade plus as is.

There will be no reason for them to go back to the American. Regardless of how many schools get poached, it will become the home for the orphans and the best G5 programs. This is why the Big 12 is aggressively adding schools and why it was reported that they may expand again prior to the new TV deal. The strong G5 schools will have a mechanism to get rid of the weak teams and get themselves double what they would have had in the American. The Big 12 won't be what it was, but it will be a survivor.

 

[Neptune78]

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BYU is also close but does have the weirdness of BYU thing hanging over them. Definitely a poor man’s Notre Dame.......

Agree on the weirdness, but I'd have them closer to SMU.

 

[Rods79]

There will be no reason for them to go back to the American. Regardless of how many schools get poached, it will become the home for the orphans and the best G5 programs. This is why the Big 12 is aggressively adding schools and why it was reported that they may expand again prior to the new TV deal. The strong G5 schools will have a mechanism to get rid of the weak teams and get themselves double what they would have had in the American. The Big 12 won't be what it was, but it will be a survivor.

Could easily see this two stage filter going forward, Big 12 is a P5 brand…the name is more valuable that the AAC. It will now serve as the melting pot between the remaining orphaned P5 teams rotating in the best G5 teams in a deathmatch tryout for whatever few spots open up in the Big-4. Teams leave…rinse and repeat. Remember the general quote from the Alliance that college football (ie - the Big-4) “needs” a strong/competitive Big 12.

 

[tolfbfan]

Ha…for football it should have went:
Ohio State
Cleveland Browns
Cincinnati Bengals

….

UC, Toledo, Ohio, Miami, Kent State
Bowling Green, Akron, Youngstown State

Still very hurtful! I don't know any Bengals fans! Or is it, that I dont want to know any Bengals fans! Either works.

 

[tolfbfan]

Youngstown State! Any team named the Penguins flies high!

NO WAY!

 

[qwerty]

NO WAY!

No worries. Toledo is my favorite college in Ohio. I just like the nickname Penguins. Unique, like the Cyclones.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Could easily see this two stage filter going forward, Big 12 is a P5 brand…the name is more valuable that the AAC. It will now serve as the melting pot between the remaining orphaned P5 teams rotating in the best G5 teams in a deathmatch tryout for whatever few spots open up in the Big-4. Teams leave…rinse and repeat. Remember the general quote from the Alliance that college football (ie - the Big-4) “needs” a strong/competitive Big 12.

You are describing the Big East almost exactly, now known as the American. It ricketed along as one of six BCS conferences, serving as a poaching pad for 3 of the other 5, until finally the writing was on the wall that it would lose its BCS bowl bid (now New Year's Six). For about a decade it filtered up valuable programs to the ACC, B1G, and Big 12 (when we added WVU, and also TCU who had been committed to join the Big East) and then it backfilled with the best of the rest, over and over and over again.

If we are the new Big East, after we go to 12, the Pac-12 adds Tech/OSU/KSU/TCU, and then the Big 12 grabs Boise State and Memphis, and then the ACC grabs WVU and Cincinnati, so the Big 12 grabs SMU, Tulane, Louisiana, and USF, and then BYU goes back to independence, so the Big 12 sticks at 11 for a while, and then the B1G adds ISU and KU, so the Big 12 gets UAB. Something like that would be the Big East equivalent. Baylor would be the UConn: original member who doesn't get a promotion.

 

[tolfbfan]

No worries. Toledo is my favorite college in Ohio. I just like the nickname Penguins. Unique, like the Cyclones.

But, how many schools have a rocket set on a launch pad outside their stadium at the proper angle to land on your rivals fifty yard line. The Rockets do for that team down south. That is making it personal, I love it.

 

[Rods79]

You are describing the Big East almost exactly, now known as the American. It ricketed along as one of six BCS conferences, serving as a poaching pad for 3 of the other 5, until finally the writing was on the wall that it would lose its BCS bowl bid (now New Year's Six). For about a decade it filtered up valuable programs to the ACC, B1G, and Big 12 (when we added WVU, and also TCU who had been committed to join the Big East) and then it backfilled with the best of the rest, over and over and over again.

If we are the new Big East, after we go to 12, the Pac-12 adds Tech/OSU/KSU/TCU, and then the Big 12 grabs Boise State and Memphis, and then the ACC grabs WVU and Cincinnati, so the Big 12 grabs SMU, Tulane, Louisiana, and USF, and then BYU goes back to independence, so the Big 12 sticks at 11 for a while, and then the B1G adds ISU and KU, so the Big 12 gets UAB. Something like that would be the Big East equivalent. Baylor would be the UConn: original member who doesn't get a promotion.

We’d sure save everyone a heck of a lot of time and consternation if we just did all this now. We’re being used to prime those lower brands for P5…for nothing.

 

[qwerty]

But, how many schools have a rocket set on a launch pad outside their stadium at the proper angle to land on your rivals fifty yard line. The Rockets do for that team down south. That is making it personal, I love it.

Awesome! I didn't know that.

 

[knowlesjam]

Is this not taking into factor OU and Texas leaving early? Or do they actually expect now that they might stay for a while?

The 14 team conference would look wild.

Hmmm, and it looks like the conference needs to send the OuT teams NORTH for November. At least 2 of the 4 November games for each of the departing teams needs to be in Iowa, Ohio, West Virginia, etc.

 

[BCClone]

But, how many schools have a rocket set on a launch pad outside their stadium at the proper angle to land on your rivals fifty yard line. The Rockets do for that team down south. That is making it personal, I love it.

The towns HS I graduated from has a tank, the rivals town has a tank. They both are pointed at each other.

 

[ISUCyclones2015]

Ha…for football it should have went:
Ohio State
Cleveland Browns
Cincinnati Bengals

….

UC, Toledo, Ohio, Miami, Kent State
Bowling Green, Akron, Youngstown State

You need to put a large gap between Cincy and Toledo too. Sorry @tolfbfan

I am almost willing to bet Youngstown state out draws Akron in attendance as well. I don't care what their attendance stats say. 5k show up to those games in Akron.

Just wait till the state makes Akron and Kent State merge. Imagine that for a rivalry disappearing

 

[NWICY]

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That girl's expression is hilarious.

 

[TheHelgo]

so, with Pollard basically confirming all this, I imagine we will see something official today or tomorrow.

 

[Rods79]

You need to put a large gap between Cincy and Toledo too. Sorry @tolfbfan

I am almost willing to bet Youngstown state out draws Akron in attendance as well. I don't care what their attendance stats say. 5k show up to those games in Akron.

Just wait till the state makes Akron and Kent State merge. Imagine that for a rivalry disappearing

It was an olive branch to @tolfbfan. I enjoy his posts, and his crusade on spreading Iowa State fandom into Ohio.

 

[tolfbfan]

It was an olive branch to @tolfbfan. I enjoy his posts, and his crusade on spreading Iowa State fandom into Ohio.

Olive branches are nice, but a certfied check toward my retirement would be better.

 

[SCarolinaCy]

2021 CBS Preseason Rankings

3 OU
6 ISU
11 Cincy
18 Texas
26 OSU
27 UCF
29 TCU
38 WV
45 BYU
59 KSU
66 TT
67 Baylor
72 Houston
113 KU

2021 CBS Preseason Rankings
Week 2
4 OU
9 ISU
7 Cincy
16Texas
22 OSU
14 UCF
46 TCU
66WV
62 BYU
39 KSU
66 TT
67 Baylor
86 Houston
120 KU

2021 CBS Preseason Rankings
Week 1 USA Today Week #2
3 OU #4
6 ISU 9
11 Cincy 7
18 Texas 16
26 OSU 22
27 UCF 14
29 TCU 46
38 WV 66
45 BYU 62
59 KSU 39
66 TT
67 Baylor 83
72 Houston 86
113 KU 120

 

[tolfbfan]

Get 5-6 in top 25 every year and better tv deals should happen, correct?????

 

[Clonehomer]

It sounds like the new additions will all be applying this week (UH tomorrow), and the Big 12 presidents could vote to formally accept the new members as early as Friday.

Sounds like AAC members will be applying effective 2024. I would guess ESPN greases the wheels to move that up to whichever year OU and UT actually leave. But the contractual expectation would then be that 2024 would be the one season as a 14-school conference, so the ball would be fully in OU/UT/SEC court to make us an offer to get out earlier.

So does the addition of these teams make it easier for OuT to negotiate a quicker, less expensive exit? If these teams are added, can OuT's lawyers then argue that there is less damage to the league with their departure? I'm not really talking about the contractual penalties, but more the above and beyond that was being discussed if they left before 2025.

Kinda wondering if this is ESPN's motivation to speaking in positive terms about the expansion. Even the typically negative blowhards like Finebaum have kept their distance from being critical about the league. It's almost like they are creating news based on their business interests. Strange.