Big XII to add schools within days?

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Not exactly sure.
He’s telling us things are gonna get weird/different. How that looks, anyone’s guess. But best Prepare yourselves.
Also, Thamel may have gotten some stuff to stick and now people will listen to his crazy crap and lead people down some crazy rabbit hole that isn’t any place near accurate.
 

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Also, Thamel may have gotten some stuff to stick and now people will listen to his crazy crap and lead people down some crazy rabbit hole that isn’t any place near accurate.
Agreed. What bugs me more than anything is people taking in absolutes about any of this. There is so many freakin variables and no one knows what exactly is going to happen or what it will look like in the future.
 
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Agreed. What bugs me more than anything is people taking in absolutes about any of this. There is so many freakin variables and no one knows what exactly is going to happen or what it will look like in the future.

Andy Staples in the Athletic had that good college ball article today

I'm hanging my hat on this:
"The potential for variety would be incredible, which would engage more fan bases and make the race for the conference title thrilling every year"

But believe this:
'So don’t worry about whether the new Big 12 will be a Power 5 league. Instead, only try to realize the truth.

Soon, there won’t be a Power 5."
 
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And if this all ends up being a "business as usual" ploy until UT and OU pay their settlements, then the Big 10, Pac 12, and ACC invites start rolling in, then boy are these four schools ****ed over.

Not saying this is going to happen, but I'm not taking it off the table, either.

Are they any worse off than where they are now? I think they are better off. Even if say 6 of the 8 bail out, its no worse, its like adding a few big12 teams to the aac. Little to lose, much to gain. Good risk to take.
 

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Notre Dame will never join the Big 10. They'll go ACC if they go anywhere. Notre Dame hates the Big 10 with a passion. If it's a choice between the Big 10 and SEC, they'll stay Independent. I could see them going SEC if they "had to join" one of those two.
The whole premise was the ACC won't be there because the NC, FSU, Clemson, Va., Va. Tech and others are not wanting to make half what the SEC & B1G make. If there is an ACC its backfilled with Big 12 schools or the Big 12 adds leftover ACC schools later on.

ND isn't choosing a league backfilled with schools.

It also assumes the B1G gets NC, Va. & USC. The B1G has a lot of ND's games they traditionally scheduled in the past.
 
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Basically it’s going to ****, no power 5 conferences. The way it’s going fans will lose interest.
 

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All this shuffling and no geographical fits what’s the point if it goes that way which blows.
 

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The whole premise was the ACC won't be there because the NC, FSU, Clemson, Va., Va. Tech and others are not wanting to make half what the SEC & B1G make. If there is an ACC its backfilled with Big 12 schools or the Big 12 adds leftover ACC schools later on.

ND isn't choosing a league backfilled with schools.

It also assumes the B1G gets NC, Va. & USC. The B1G has a lot of ND's games they traditionally scheduled in the past.


Nope. They'll go SEC or Pac 12 before the big 10. AND USC and Carolina aren't leaving for the Big 10 either.
 
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The whole premise was the ACC won't be there because the NC, FSU, Clemson, Va., Va. Tech and others are not wanting to make half what the SEC & B1G make. If there is an ACC its backfilled with Big 12 schools or the Big 12 adds leftover ACC schools later on.

ND isn't choosing a league backfilled with schools.

It also assumes the B1G gets NC, Va. & USC. The B1G has a lot of ND's games they traditionally scheduled in the past.
There are a few reasons why ND would go to the SEC over BIG, not all athletic. Didn’t the North Carolina legislature pass a bill that would allow the NC schools to leave the ACC and apply to the SEC over the bathroom bill fallout? When the ACC pulled the tournament from NC

If the SEC grabs USC, that’s big too. I think the SEC is in good position to first get USC, Clemson, and FSU. I think the NC schools plus UVa would follow at that point, with ND in alliance.
Msybe after the ACC football schools left, some of the ACC would be okay earning $40 million less. But Va Tech would jump, and at that point it’s a prisoners dilemma
 
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This is the hope. As much as I hate to admit it, Houston & UCF are well positioned to do so.

Speaking of Miami, something my mind always goes back to is how they almost scrapped their football program in the 70s. Then they quickly became a juggernaut for two decades.
Another school, Tampa, did end up scrapping their program. If they hadn’t, Miami-Tampa could have been a great rivalry.

Miami came out of nowhere in the 80s, started getting all the good recruits from their area, and won five national championships in 18 years. Four of those were in an eight year period.
 

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Another school, Tampa, did end up scrapping their program. If they hadn’t, Miami-Tampa could have been a great rivalry.

Miami came out of nowhere in the 80s, started getting all the good recruits from their area, and won five national championships in 18 years. Four of those were in an eight year period.
The two paths show the value of athletics.
University of Tampa still recruits from the East/NE, but they’ve almost folded as an institution at points. USF is further in their progression objectives if they bought UT and moved the gross suburban USF campus to downtown Tampa.
 
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A Hawkeye fan friend of mine was trying to diss Central Florida but confused UCF with South Florida. We spent the rest of the day making fun of him that he thought Central was spelled with an S. That’s your Hawkeye education at its finest, folks.

He was probably thinking of the former Sentral of Fenton school district in Northern Iowa! :p
 
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An extra $5 million/year? In 2018 the in-market carriage fees for BIG was $1.3/month. If you're getting in-market on half the households in those states, it helps justify adding 8 or 9.

Current ratings say that? What have the ratings been for BIG-Pac12 matchups? Perhaps the BIG is that far behind the SEC, but I would assume being in more markets and timezones would mean ratings increase.

In terms of upside, I assume some of that is there being an actual reason for the Alliance. A common good, albeit perhaps not profit maximizing outcome desired. I don't think USC goes to the BIG without
I’m saying BIG ratings are great and PAC ratings suck. So the BIG ads mouths to feed that don’t draw viewers. In general combining the two would swap out some regional/rivalry games with games that don’t have that regional interest. For less prominent and bad teams regional and rivalry games are about all that can draw some viewers.
 

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Nope. They'll go SEC or Pac 12 before the big 10. AND USC and Carolina aren't leaving for the Big 10 either.

I wouldn’t be so sure about Carolina. I really think the SEC will make an ACC play when their GOR is near expiration. They’ll push for Florida State, Clemson, maybe Miami, UNC, Virginia Tech. I think UNC says no to this. But then when FSU and Clemson join the SEC, UNC and UVA will have to realize that the B1G is much safer for them.

At that point the 10 schools left in the ACC are probably about as good overall as the Big 12. I could see us poach Miami/NC State/Va Tech/Pitt (at which point we would hit 16 and the ACC would be grabbing Memphis and a few more), or I could see them poach WVU/Cincy/UCF/KU (pushing us to add Memphis and Boise State). Would really depend on how the next 10-15 years went.
 

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The two paths show the value of athletics.
University of Tampa still recruits from the East/NE, but they’ve almost folded as an institution at points. USF is further in their progression objectives if they bought UT and moved the gross suburban USF campus to downtown Tampa.
I really think UCF and USF have the potential to be great. It’s the directional school names that throw people off.
 
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I’m saying BIG ratings are great and PAC ratings suck. So the BIG ads mouths to feed that don’t draw viewers. In general combining the two would swap out some regional/rivalry games with games that don’t have that regional interest. For less prominent and bad teams regional and rivalry games are about all that can draw some viewers.
So no growth in ratings due to different brand, time zones, markets? The Pac12-BIG matchups don’t draw better than Pac 12 only?

Imo the pac 12 only ratings show there’s plenty of room for swapping.

How did you get only $5 million/year more in carriage fees? Getting in-market fees at $1.3/month per household in those states would be big imo, likely adding new households too. Are you assuming no ability to get in-market?
 

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He was probably thinking of the former Sentral of Fenton school district in Northern Iowa! :p
Once known as the Sentral Satellites! Don’t remember their mascot later but I remember they were red and gold, and there is a town called Burt.
 
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