Big 12 seeding

[cyclonegrap]

"Reminder: there will be a random draw for position on the brackets for each weight class, allowing the possibility of scattered seeds throughout the opening round match-ups."

This cannot be true. How can you have blind draws for a national qualifier. This could create easy opportunities for people to steal a spot. I hope this tweet is just worded poorly.

 

[buf87]

Agree, this doesn't make any sense.

Only thing I could think of is they have 4 seed at top where #1 is, & #1 seed where #4 is, then #3 seed at bottom, and #2 seed where 3 should be. But that is a lot of wasted energy.

 

[GrappleCy]

I really hope this is just a misleading tweet and what they mean is that the four pigtail matches will be randomly assigned as opposed to the preliminary matches just being the 5-8 seeded guys taking on the 9-12 (or unseeded) guys with the 1-4 seeds getting byes.

 

[cyclonegrap]

Agree, this doesn't make any sense.

Only thing I could think of is they have 4 seed at top where #1 is, & #1 seed where #4 is, then #3 seed at bottom, and #2 seed where 3 should be. But that is a lot of wasted energy.

With 12 teams there would be only 4 first round matches each round. It would make sense to draw at random who gets the first round matches. Moving the seeds around on the bracket makes it confusing and less fan-friendly.

 

[GrappleCy]

Uh......

 

[buf87]

What @GrappleCy says makes sense. But not sure a #1 or #2 seed should have a pigtail and possible short turn around.

 

[GrappleCy]

http://www.big12sports.com//attachments1/files/10410/640490.pdf

That's the bracket file on the 2019 Big 12 championship site and it definitely says "TBD seed" in each spot instead of #1 seed, #2 seed, etc...

 

[buf87]

Uh......

Nothing like making a tournament confusing.

I understand a lot of guys don't have head to head matches, which makes it tough. And if Weigel (OSU) comes back at 197, not sure how you seed him. But at least attempt to spread out the guys that got the allocations

 

[cyclonegrap]

I understand having a first round match gives the team more chances for bonus points, but the qualifying tournament should be focused on getting the correct individuals to nationals.

 

[GrappleCy]

I'm gonna give the conference the benefit of the doubt and assume it's just misleading documentation because yeah, random draws would be pretty stupid.

 

[Cycsk]

Based on my vast knowledge of wrestling (that I learned this week), it seems pretty dumb to assign "allocations" on the basis of wrestlers who have earned them, but not to give wrestlers any benefit in the brackets based on it.

 

[mdk2isu]

I'm gonna give the conference the benefit of the doubt and assume it's just misleading documentation because yeah, random draws would be pretty stupid.

Well, we are talking about the Big 12 here...

 

[jkbuff98]

If true it is unbelievable

 

[GrappleCy]

Nothing like making a tournament confusing.

I understand a lot of guys don't have head to head matches, which makes it tough. And if Weigel (OSU) comes back at 197, not sure how you seed him. But at least attempt to spread out the guys that got the allocations

It looks like they are still planning on seeding though, but then doing a random draw for the seeds. Which is part of why I'm hoping it's just a documentation thing that is misleading, because that would make extra no sense than doing a straight blind draw.

 

[Cycsk]

Well, we are talking about the Big 12 here...

You know, the "official" document that was shown to me to explain some of the technical terms and processes for wrestling did have a few typos in it. Proof-reading does not seem to be their expertise.

 

[GrappleCy]

The format, whatever it is, is something the coaches would have agreed on. The only thing that would kinda maybe make a little sense is that it makes it more likely that there will be guys who steal spots due to a good draw, for example a format like this would make it way more likely for Schumacher to get a spot to Pittsburgh. And usually there are enough at large spots available that any wrestler who earns a spot but gets upset still gets to go, it's only occasional that somebody that is Silver standard doesn't get an at large. So, playing devil's advocate, this would help the conference get a couple of extra guys to NCAAs with limited risk that anyone who earns an allocation but gets a bad draw would end up actually staying home.

Somehow though, this will hilariously backfire for Iowa State.

 

[buf87]

Also from a team scoring point, pigtail matches can provide big points if there are TF or falls

 

[GrappleCy]

It's also possible that the "TBD Seed"s in the bracket are just a poor way to represent that the pigtails will be random. So like the top quadrant here...

The "TBD seed", if you are having a normal tournament with normal seeding, for the guy who gets a bye would be limited to the #1 seed or the #8 seed and the pigtail would be between the other one of those two and anybody seeded #9-#12. It would still legitimately be TBD, but not totally random like it implies.

 

[GrappleCy]

Moreno is a coach at Northern Colorado so if it's news to him then it probably is just a poorly worded tweet.

 

[GrappleCy]

It's also possible that the "TBD Seed"s in the bracket are just a poor way to represent that the pigtails will be random. So like the top quadrant here...

The "TBD seed", if you are having a normal tournament with normal seeding, for the guy who gets a bye would be limited to the #1 seed or the #8 seed and the pigtail would be between the other one of those two and anybody seeded #9-#12. It would still legitimately be TBD, but not totally random like it implies.

It ended up basically being that.