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BillBrasky4Cy

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This is literally shooting yourself in the foot. There's a reason the sec only plays 8 conference games.

I don't disagree but the Big 12 is going to be screwed when the SEC and B1G announce their little scheduling alliance.
 

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I don't disagree but the Big 12 is going to be screwed when the SEC and B1G announce their little scheduling alliance.
Yes, but the B1G is going to be screwed TOO in the long run. Most of the time, B1G teams do not fare well vs. SEC teams in major contests. Doesn't always work out that way, but the B1G does not want to get into a head to head grind with the SEC in the CFP. Yes, Michigan beat Alabama in OT last year in the Rose Bowl, but Alabama usually beats B1G teams by double digits when they play.

Hopefully, the Committee lets the SEC teams play B1G teams in the CFP this year, but I bet they have two SEC teams play each other as the feeder game to play the SEC Champion in the Sugar Bowl eliminating two SEC teams that cannot play and beat a B1G team off the bat. Hopefully, I am wrong! Send Alabama to Indiana. Send Ole Miss to Penn State! Send Georgia or Tennessee to ND. :)

Make the B1G prove they deserve their four spots, don't let them advance by playing Boise State, SMU, BYU, etc.
 

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I don't disagree but the Big 12 is going to be screwed when the SEC and B1G announce their little scheduling alliance.
The screwing has already been done, Bill. Anything that happens going forward is just a result of the screwing that's already happened.
 

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They are going to get screwed regardless.

The screwing has already been done, Bill. Anything that happens going forward is just a result of the screwing that's already happened.

Yeah I'm fully aware but if you are the Big 12 you HAVE to try to counterbalance the narrative. If you think Yormark is just going to lay down and take it you're crazy. The Big 12 will have to try to differentiate and that's all they can do.
 

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Yeah I'm fully aware but if you are the Big 12 you HAVE to try to counterbalance the narrative. If you think Yormark is just going to lay down and take it you're crazy. The Big 12 will have to try to differentiate and that's all they can do.
Yormark is differentiating by promoting basketball so much and focusing on it. It's our only shot. Trying to compete with the P2 in Football is a lost cause, IMO.

And, if I'm being truly honest with myself, I don't think any football team from our conference is truly one of the 12 best in the country. It's harsh, but I believe it's true. Getting 1 in is probably better than we deserve. It's a very bad look for the XII to be down this year, but we are.
 

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This is literally shooting yourself in the foot. There's a reason the sec only plays 8 conference games.
To qualify for the playoff, playing 10 P4 schools during the regular season should be the bar. Let each conference decide on its own how many conference games it wants to play, but to make the 12, you have to play 10 games against like schools each regular season. Conference championship games do not count towards that 10 total. Let in one non P5 school, so ND I guess you and your 8 P4 games this season does not make it.
 
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Yormark is differentiating by promoting basketball so much and focusing on it. It's our only shot. Trying to compete with the P2 in Football is a lost cause, IMO.

And, if I'm being truly honest with myself, I don't think any football team from our conference is truly one of the 12 best in the country. It's harsh, but I believe it's true. Getting 1 in is probably better than we deserve. It's a very bad look for the XII to be down this year, but we are.
If you think Yormark is just conceding that football is what it is you're out of your mind.
 
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Yormark is differentiating by promoting basketball so much and focusing on it. It's our only shot. Trying to compete with the P2 in Football is a lost cause, IMO.

And, if I'm being truly honest with myself, I don't think any football team from our conference is truly one of the 12 best in the country. It's harsh, but I believe it's true. Getting 1 in is probably better than we deserve. It's a very bad look for the XII to be down this year, but we are.

Of the four conference leaders only one non conference game was lost. We are not down, we are playing in a competitive conference.
 

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If you think Yormark is just conceding that football is what it is you're out of your mind.
Of the four conference leaders only one non conference game was lost. We are not down, we are playing in a competitive conference.
I phrased that poorly, my mistake. Obviously, we're going to try our best to compete in football, but we have SO many disadvantages it's nearly an impossible task to climb even with the SEC or B1G at this point, and we need to look elsewhere to try and close the gap as much as we can.

Maximizing the value of our basketball product, and monetizing that value, is the best thing we could be doing to help the conference in BOTH sports.

I know Yormark is a billion times more qualified to speak on this than I am, but I don't see a realistic path towards being an equal to the P2 in football and they're only going to get more advantages as time goes on. We can still fight to be third, and there's a lot of value in that.
 

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I phrased that poorly, my mistake. Obviously, we're going to try our best to compete in football, but we have SO many disadvantages it's nearly an impossible task to climb even with the SEC or B1G at this point, and we need to look elsewhere to try and close the gap as much as we can.

Maximizing the value of our basketball product, and monetizing that value, is the best thing we could be doing to help the conference in BOTH sports.

I know Yormark is a billion times more qualified to speak on this than I am, but I don't see a realistic path towards being an equal to the P2 in football and they're only going to get more advantages as time goes on. We can still fight to be third, and there's a lot of value in that.

Right but nobody is saying we are or need to be equal. In the long haul third will be just fine. The SEC will carry their weight more years than not but the bottom 2/3's of the B1G are going to have to improve significantly. That league is making WAY too much money for the networks to be happy with it being a 3-4 team league. When those top teams aren't playing each other, the matchups have been BAD and really uneventful. The networks realize this too. There's a reason they are promoting Indiana so hard and Illinois was the flavor of the week earlier in the season. It can't just be tOSU, Penn State, and Oregon.
 

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KU sucking so bad early and now getting hot is really screwing up the conference.
Kansas was supposed to be what BYU is this season, they massively underachieved to start this season (injuries played a role) and are now picking off the top BIG 12 teams because they're playing to their potential at the wrong time.

Long story short, you're right that they've screwed the Big 12 by playing well at the wrong time.
 

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That would be funny if the Big 12 gets left out. This playoff is a joke... let it fail miserably for all I care.

Only the B1G and SEC matter anymore. That's the way they want it. So be it. Hope it all fails.
If Colorado loses once and Army beats Notre Dame running the table while Boise St. wins out the Big 12 is likely cooked although a one loss BYU might have a case. Kinda crazy.

Either way, a Big 12 at large is off the table now.
 

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BYU behind SMU is incredibly stupid. Notre Dame at #6 with the worst loss in top 25 is also stupid.
I think the Texas A&M win and the eye test weigh heavily with Notre Dame. The Northern Illinois loss seems like a one-off, they've crushed everybody else and just have the look of a strong team on both sides of the ball.
The Miami ranking kind of bothers me. They don't pass the eye test and they have zero good wins. No way they should be even top 15 still.
 
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If Colorado loses once and Army beats Notre Dame running the table while Boise St. wins out the Big 12 is likely cooked although a one loss BYU might have a case. Kinda crazy.

Either way, a Big 12 at large is off the table now.

A Big 12 at large has been off the table for a few weeks now...
 
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I phrased that poorly, my mistake. Obviously, we're going to try our best to compete in football, but we have SO many disadvantages it's nearly an impossible task to climb even with the SEC or B1G at this point, and we need to look elsewhere to try and close the gap as much as we can.

Maximizing the value of our basketball product, and monetizing that value, is the best thing we could be doing to help the conference in BOTH sports.

I know Yormark is a billion times more qualified to speak on this than I am, but I don't see a realistic path towards being an equal to the P2 in football and they're only going to get more advantages as time goes on. We can still fight to be third, and there's a lot of value in that.
I think this is accurate actually. You have to put the squeeze on those leagues to some degree from a basketball angle. I also think the Big 12 should start to press TBS to carry football. Make a mutually beneficial deal. They do a nice job with March Madness and college football is obviously great content any network should want. Anything you can do to hurt ESPN in particular at this point is a good thing. ESPN has gone from being the biggest sports network to the biggest problem in college sports in my opinion. They’re destroying the student athlete and fan experiences.
 

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I think the Texas A&M win and the eye test weigh heavily with Notre Dame. The Northern Illinois loss seems like a one-off, they've crushed everybody else and just have the look of a strong team on both sides of the ball.
The Miami ranking kind of bothers me. They don't pass the eye test and they have zero good wins. No way they should be even top 15 still.

Miami has 3 losses with competent replay review.
 

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A Big 12 at large has been off the table for a few weeks now...
I disagree. A 1 loss BYU that had a close loss to a 2 loss Colorado and presumably top 15 Colorado at that time in the Championship game would have had a shot IMO assuming that Kansas State and SMU had kept winning but the BYU, and the K-State loss as well, closed the door shut on that possibility.
 

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I disagree. A 1 loss BYU that had a close loss to a 2 loss Colorado and presumably top 15 Colorado at that time in the Championship game would have had a shot IMO assuming that Kansas State and SMU had kept winning but the BYU, and the K-State loss as well, closed the door shut on that possibility.

The committee made it perfectly clear that the Big 12 was going to be a one bid league.