Anyone else hearing that JP has already decided Prohm is coming back?

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TJ isn't my first choice, but TJ, bringing in a strong staff, retaining much of the roster, bringing in a ton of talented recruits, and building a winning culture around the program... it could work.

Or he could be a Prohm clone without the drawl. Great recruiter, never built a solid team/program.
 

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One 'no comment' and this thread is totally blowing back to TJ's direction.
The Fred momentum was fun while it lasted.
It wasn't the 'no comment.' It's the multiple posters, who are generally well sourced.
That said, I'll wait and see. It will go back and forth between names a few times before it's over, at least I hope. If JP fires Prohm, and announces TJ within a few days, then we'll know there likely was no other candidates.
 
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I said something like this earlier, but if it does end up being TJ I'll be fine with it. I think he's a better fit here than UNLV and could have success.

The issue is that it seems like Pollard would just hand the job to him. I prefer Jamie does his diligence on all interested candidates, and hires the best one in the end. TJ or not.
Jamie thought Prohm was the "best fit" too. Would rather have someone else do this hire.
 

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One 'no comment' and this thread is totally blowing back to TJ's direction.
The Fred momentum was fun while it lasted.

FYI - His 'no comment' answer is not why we are blowing back TJ's direction. Much more than that.
 

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Would cost ISU roughly $15 mil, sounds like the definition of a pipe dream.

His buyout is $10, and that could be negotiated down. I only know that Fred made his interest known before he accepted the Nebraska job, and has continued to do so over the course of the last few years. Past that I have no idea what will happen sans what I read here, but if I take what I read here as any truth, the money is there for the buyout.
 

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First thing is if Prohm is retained and if not interview candidates and if its TJ then I’m all for it. Bring in a strong staff, recruit, coach, he can do it. Get big 12 talent and beyond here first then coach em/develop.
 
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His buyout is $10, and that could be negotiated down. I only know that Fred made his interest known before he accepted the Nebraska job, and has continued to do so over the course of the last few years. Past that I have no idea what will happen sans what I read here, but if I take what I read here as any truth, the money is there for the buyout.

I have a $10 Fuzzys gift card here at home. Should I mail it to Fred now?
 

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During the last search Jeremy posted that Pollard wanted to give TJ the job instead of vetting all candidates. Hindsight, probably would've been the better move than Prohm, but here we are. I hope you're right and that's not what's happening this time around, but it wouldn't surprise me.

It's not a secret that Pollard and TJ are close friends. This is a very crucial hire for Jamie; if he hires his buddy and TJ ends up failing that ends up being a stain on his legacy. And I don't want to see that.

Like I have said in many previous posts......if TJ is the hire then that's a fairly strong signal that JP is thinking of retirement in about 5 years. Because if/when TJ fails(and 15 wins a year is failing)JP will be gone......TJ will get another mid major job......and ISU will be left to pick up the pieces in basketball. So rest assured that if a 11-14 Mountain West coach gets the job, you can be certain JP does not give a rats rear end about his legacy. This is about friendship...............and donor money.
 

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TJ isn't my first choice, but TJ, bringing in a strong staff, retaining much of the roster, bringing in a ton of talented recruits, and building a winning culture around the program... it could work.

Or he could be a Prohm clone without the drawl. Great recruiter, never built a solid team/program.

I'll be happy if ISU gets on a run and he lets it go instead of calling a time out to let the other team catch their breath and plan a counter effort.
 

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And we will never know if TJ is just handed the job. Jamie will never admit it. TJ should never admit it (and should practice his answer about interest in the job).

The problem is that the perception could always be that Jamie hired him because they are friends. The argument against this is that they could be friends because Jamie thinks he’s an up snd coming coach.

It’s a messy situation that isn’t completely fair. But that’s life.

Fair assessment. Jamie is no dummy, he’s had an up close view into how TJ works, recruits and communicates. As a hiring leader, I love to have that intel on someone. I hope he interviews others to see what comes from the pool. High risk, high reward jobs are never slam dunks
 

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His buyout is $10, and that could be negotiated down. I only know that Fred made his interest known before he accepted the Nebraska job, and has continued to do so over the course of the last few years. Past that I have no idea what will happen sans what I read here, but if I take what I read here as any truth, the money is there for the buyout.
You're forgetting the 5 mil to fire Prohm. Then we gotta pay the new coach. In a year when we start with a 25 mil short fall. Yes yes I know the rumor the magical donors are going to make it go bye-bye but I don't believe it.
 

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Jamie thought Prohm was the "best fit" too. Would rather have someone else do this hire.

To be fair to JP in the last go around. CFH left late in the cycle limitiing the options. Another aspect he chose to weight in his decidions was to keep a potential top 10 team together with a similar coach in attitude to Fred. I do think this helped both Prohm's and TJ becoming the favorites after the first round of interviewes.

Choosing an Underwood or similar "agreesive" type stylle would have been better long term for ISU but could have had a lot of issues that next year. Those too factors will be removed if Prohm is removed from his responsibiilities by the end of the week.

Only limit on JP choices will likely be the buyouts and 25 mill deficit ISU has this year, though that isn't minor influence on the choice.
 

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In all seriousness, I feel somewhat foolish now about even falling into a trap as to whether Fred has, did, or didn't and to whom and when. Staffwise, it's possible there were barriers that existed that JP doesn't want to go down that road again.
We know we have no control over it and at least we can agree we just want to return to some exciting Hilton Magic basketball once again. March madness just isn't the same without the Cyclones.
 

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Fair assessment. Jamie is no dummy, he’s had an up close view into how TJ works, recruits and communicates. As a hiring leader, I love to have that intel on someone. I hope he interviews others to see what comes from the pool. High risk, high reward jobs are never slam dunks

I think every indication from everybody on here and CW is that TJ is one of the best recruiters and one of the most charming of men in the business. He's also the reserved family man type with young children, which is something else that Pollard loves (see the Prohm family and Campbell's family, and even Chizik's back in the day).
 
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I think every indication from everybody on here and CW is that TJ is one of the best recruiters and one of the most charming of men in the business. He's also the reserved family man type with young children, which is something else that Pollard loves (see the Prohm family and Campbell's family, and even Chizik's back in the day).

But what's more family oriented than Vegas and look how that's turned out.
 

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But what's more family oriented than Vegas and look how that's turned out.

I know Las Vegas has this reputation as a palace of sin, but once you're outside of the few square block area of the Vegas Strip (and UNLV is), it is actually a pretty conservative and low-key city. It has a lot of working-class Hispanics (read, pretty devout Catholics) and a lot of retired military people. It is not hedonistic San Francisco. It's politics are complex, but culturally, the city is one of the more conservative ones of its size you'll find with its actual residents.

The places where you can... umm, rent... are all outside of Clark County, as well.
 

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You're forgetting the 5 mil to fire Prohm. Then we gotta pay the new coach. In a year when we start with a 25 mil short fall. Yes yes I know the rumor the magical donors are going to make it go bye-bye but I don't believe it.

I'm not forgetting those costs, but those costs are not associated with Hoiberg...they are associated with any hire we make if Prohm is let go. I don't disagree on donors stepping up to pay buyouts; I honestly have no idea if it is true or not. I also don't think JP will hire Hoiberg if the University is on the hook for his buyout because of the $25 Million shortfall from COVID...he will need the money to come from somewhere else.

All I know is that there is interest from Fred in coming to ISU; I have heard enough from 3 different people who do not know each other and are not visitors to the CF forums.
 

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I know Las Vegas has this reputation as a palace of sin, but once you're outside of the few square block area of the Vegas Strip (and UNLV is), it is actually a pretty conservative and low-key city. It has a lot of working-class Hispanics (read, pretty devout Catholics) and a lot of retired military people. It is not hedonistic San Francisco. It's politics are complex, but culturally, the city is one of the more conservative ones of its size you'll find with its actual residents.

The places where you can... umm, rent... are all outside of Clark County, as well.
Sounds like a conservative City. Plausible deniability for morality based on loose disaffiliation, but we're certainly not too good for the money that comes from those kind of things.