Anyone else hearing that JP has already decided Prohm is coming back?

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Medved will get a long look. He's from Roseville, he went to the U of M, was a student manager there, coached as an assistant there for one season, his parents still live there, and he has strong connections with the high school and club programs in the Cities.

Most sound like reasons Medved would want the job, not why the Gophers would want him (except the last point).
 

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Is it really that hard to hire an assist that’s an X & O’s specialist, another thats a defense/rebound specialist, and another that’s a recruiting ace?

Maybe the specialists are still decent recruiters, maybe the recruiting ace has other strengths. Maybe the HC can do something?? We’ve had Prohm and his goons so long I don’t even know what a coach does anymore? Observe shoot around?

You should be a head basketball coach. You’ve got this whole thing boiled down to 4 things.
 

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That all goes back to shooting the 3 not just at an acceptable clip but at a top 35-50 level in the country. It opens everything else up.

Chicken/egg. The ball doesn’t move and players don’t move so everyone is real easy to guard. Harris and Jackson need to be on the Steph Curry plan as far as moving without the ball. With Harris’s speed, that alone makes him hard to guard and at least a distraction.
 

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Chicken/egg. The ball doesn’t move and players don’t move so everyone is real easy to guard. Harris and Jackson need to be on the Steph Curry plan as far as moving without the ball. With Harris’s speed, that alone makes him hard to guard and at least a distraction.

I’m not a big fan of that action. I’m much more a fan of the way Utah does it. Using the ball to get the defense out of position rather than using player movement. Need a PG that can probe and make the right first pass to create the imbalance in the defenseand two guys that are knock down 3 point shooters on the court to make it work.
 

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This is a big one for me as well. Getting guys open looks. Then if that look isn’t there, going back to it again or to getting another specific player a look. That’s where Fred was head and shoulders above Prohm.

Fred would have played Johnson at the 5 for extended periods this year. He’s not a huge step down from the other two defensively and he’d make Bolton more useful since you probably can’t just leave him in the corner. He’d also find a way to make Dubar useful. There just doesn’t seem to be any imagination.
 
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Fred would have played Johnson at the 5 for extended periods this year. He’s not a huge step down from the other two defensively and he’d make Bolton more useful since you probably can’t just leave him in the corner. He’d also find a way to make Dubar useful. There just doesn’t seem to be any imagination.

The banging of the heads against a wall is getting extremely old.
 
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Fred would have played Johnson at the 5 for extended periods this year. He’s not a huge step down from the other two defensively and he’d make Bolton more useful since you probably can’t just leave him in the corner. He’d also find a way to make Dubar useful. There just doesn’t seem to be any imagination.

Probably over simplistic on my part but CSP has not been strong with making the opponent have to scramble a bit. Usually seems like he's tried to match up instead of dictating.
 
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I know we are what our record says we are, and I don't expect (nor want) Prohm back at this point.

But for everything being really bad, we've sure come close to picking off a lot of good teams this year.

Prohm is reminding me of the late McCarney era in a way -- always playing just below the level of our competition, as opposed to Campbell, who always seems to play just above its level.
I think the close games are more a result of the lack of respect that other teams give us. Not sure we are getting most of our opponents A game.
 

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That’s the reason I don’t think the talent is as bad as some. I know the system is bad. If the talent was so bad, we wouldn’t be in any games.

This season is so frustrating because Prohm has had ample opportunity to save his job. I think the consensus on here before this season was, with COVID and the budgetary shortfall of the Department of Athletics, that Prohm had two more years to "prove it" rather than just one unless, of course, something disastrous happened. Pollard would be looking for an excuse to keep him another year to save money.

Of course, disaster struck.

All I would have needed to see was one of these two things...

(1.) Nab a handful, or even 3-4, of the good teams we had on the ropes. Just give me some indication that we have something going here and it just needs another season to simmer then burst out.

(2.) Even if we are stuck with the 0-whatever record, I would feel a lot better about the program and Prohm going forward if that was coming with a team mostly playing underclassmen who were clearly talented yet lacking in experience to finish off Big 12 games against more seasoned opponents.

Instead, our second- and third-best players are two super-seniors who are not returning to the team (Young and Coleman-Lands in no particular order), most of our other rotational guys are already upperclassmen, and our freshmen and sophomores are either hurt (Foster), okay but with a low ceiling (Jackson), barely hanging on to playing time or not playing at all (Walker, Blackwell, Dubar), playing well for somebody else (Grill), or I am not even sure if they are playing basketball anymore (Leech, Anderson).

If this was a young but burgeoning team, I could look past the record. But it's not.
 

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That's noteworthy. My guess is it's either Dutcher or Medved for the Gophs.
If the Gophers fire Pitino this week, I doubt it is to go after Dutcher, Medved or any current head coach whose team is in play for an NCAA berth.

If the Gophers ditch Pitino this week, it is to take a run at Beilein, Motta or some other big name not coaching a team this season.

They can pursue Beilein or Motta on the QT and if there is no interest, then they take a run at Medved, Dutcher, etc.
 

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I could handle it. I think that Harris could be really effective if someone worked with him on what makes a good shot and those other basics.
Agreed. IMO Harris needs a tough love coach who can convince Harris that with his quickness he could be a defensive disrupter guarding the other teams PG.

Add better shot selection and he's a 25-30mpg player.
 

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Can someone help me with the TJ fan club? I think TJ is a really good guy who obviously has built a lot of relationships here which has his name in this conversation. Outside of Iowa St is there any other Major conference school even considering him? He has a long ways to go with UNLV right now, which essentially is a rebuild- very similar to us. His first job you could actually argue he underachieved. South Dakota state has been loaded for a long time and TJ was gifted a very talented team less David Jenkins who came in his 2nd season. State suffered one of their worst losses ever in the conference tournament as a one seed vs. an 8 in Sioux Falls, in one of the biggest Home court advantages in conference tournaments. I just think we aren’t thinking big enough. Rumor was SDSU offered Devries and he turned it down opening the door for Otz. I’m leaning to Devries and I don’t even have TJ as top 7. Great guy but I think he needs to show he can build a program.

I think these are all fair criticisms. TJ isn’t perfect but he does check some boxes that many of these other names don’t...P6 assistant experience, significant P6 recruiting experience, familiar with ISU, knows what it takes to win in Ames, low major head coaching experience, mid major head coaching experience.

With our AD unwilling to spend $$$ for new coaching hires, we aren’t getting any slam dunk candidate here.

So if you are comparing the Medveds, Davries, and others - they all have gaps and will be a risk. Just like TJ.

But those making him out to be some terrible candidate are dead wrong too.
 

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Even after Hoiball, which was very exciting and entertaining (and last but not least successful), after these years of Prohmball, with its soft, pathetic play style on both ends, I’m just ready for a complete 180. Toughness, grit, cahones!

Also, I know it’s been said, but we had better not see an appearance from Jamie “too cheap to get us out of the situation he alone put us in” Pollard.
 

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If the Gophers fire Pitino this week, I doubt it is to go after Dutcher, Medved or any current head coach whose team is in play for an NCAA berth.

If the Gophers ditch Pitino this week, it is to take a run at Beilein, Motta or some other big name not coaching a team this season.

They can pursue Beilein or Motta on the QT and if there is no interest, then they take a run at Medved, Dutcher, etc.

I have not heard it would happen this week. That’s news to me. I only heard pitino will be fired end of season.
 

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The good thing is JP is on the selection committee and watching a ton of good teams play the last couple years, so i am sure he has a few surprise guys he is looking at. Plus he had to have a pretty good idea last year this was coming, so I would bet he has 3 or 4 guys ready to go.

Moser is an excellent coach. Not sure he is an Ames type of guy though. And it has been a long time since he looked at Big 12 level competition every day. He was at Texas A and M but it was over 20 years ago now. I live near him and before COVID hit went to Loyola games a lot. Even when they sucked he was in control of his team and stuff Prohm let’s his guys get away with isn’t going to fly with him.

I do wonder though, it’s a different type of recruit you have to get in the Big 12, and he would have to realize, you can win a few games 61-60 in the Big 12, but you are going to have to score a lot more points than you do at Loyola. That’s just reality. Their pace is better this year, but his teams will struggle to score a lot. Right now they are #1 in Adj D in Kenpom but also the always above 300 in AdjT, they play slow, like really slow.

So you gotta be able to pitch 17 year old elite guys from Chicago to come to Iowa State and play really really slow.

Not saying that can’t work, Wisconsin plays slow, Tech plays slow too, Tim Floyd played slow, but he had the perfect team to do it with too, and Tim Floyd was a crazy good coach. And if you are going to to that, you gotta have the right guys. I love watching Loyola, I love how they play, but it’s going to be an uphill climb in Ames to play that slow and win consistently.

I worry he might have some of the same problems as Greg did before he figured it out at Creighton.

Wouldn't hate it, he’s the perfect coach for Loyola, I would root like hell for him, but boy, I just don’t think he is the right fit at Iowa State.