Anyone else hearing that JP has already decided Prohm is coming back?

[Tre4ISU]

I could handle it. I think that Harris could be really effective if someone worked with him on what makes a good shot and those other basics.

There has to be a system to get him open shots. I have a problem with almost zero of his shots because the alternative isn't really all that attractive. I think people would look at him a lot different if the system was generating 5 or 6 good looks a game for him. We aren't getting that many as a team a lot of nights and we should have 2 guys getting those looks (JCL).

 

[intrepid27]

Every style has a price. Would people be happy with a team that’s the third best rebounding team in the conference but 8, 9, or 10 in 3p and offense? I don’t know. I grew up in the Johnny era. I like offensively skilled basketball and I think that is what ISU basketball should be. That’s how you get Hilton back, not grind out 25 seconds of shot clock on both ends of the floor.

Hell, I'd be happy with a team that could do two things well at the same time. When we focus on 3 pt defense our ability to stop dribble penetration and help defense goes to hell. When we focus on rebounding everything else goes south. When we have a lot of energy on offense we turn the ball over. I could fill several paragraphs but I don't want to sound like I am ripping on a group of kids who are admirably, still playing hard.

 

[Gunnerclone]

There has to be a system to get him open shots. I have a problem with almost zero of his shots because the alternative isn't really all that attractive. I think people would look at him a lot different if the system was generating 5 or 6 good looks a game for him. We aren't getting that many as a team a lot of nights and we should have 2 guys getting those looks (JCL).

This is a big one for me as well. Getting guys open looks. Then if that look isn’t there, going back to it again or to getting another specific player a look. That’s where Fred was head and shoulders above Prohm.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Yeah I guess if we're winning I really couldn't care. And I do agree with you about Tyler Harris. He's fun to watch but should be playing Donovan Jackson JR year minutes instead of what he currently does.

McGee or Jackson should be his role and his size probably doesn't hurt him doing that. He's not going to be McGee, but the role should be the same. He's small but he can be a pest defensively due to his quickness. He has some ability that just can't be used right now.

 

[Tre4ISU]

This is a big one for me as well. Getting guys open looks. Then if that look isn’t there, going back to it again or to getting another specific player a look. That’s where Fred was head and shoulders above Prohm.

The system has to generate "easy" points. Obviously that won't happen all the time but we get almost none. We get an uncontested 3 here and there but nothing down low. No cutters, no back cuts, nothing. We elect to post Solo, which is fine some of the time but it's not efficient basketball and once you're committed to that, you have effectively cut out any other easy possibility since he's not dominant. No one is doubling and if they do, he's not skilled enough to kill it.

I hate talking about Prohm this way but his system stinks on both ends. Maybe it's a talent issue but even average talent with decent coaching is an average team. With the offers some of these guys have had, I find it hard to believe it's simply talent.

 

[Statefan10]

McGee or Jackson should be his role and his size probably doesn't hurt him doing that. He's not going to be McGee, but the role should be the same. He's small but he can be a pest defensively due to his quickness. He has some ability that just can't be used right now.

100%. I like Tyler's game but starting and playing the minutes he does just isn't sustainable. It's like Nixon last year where he would've been a nice bulldog type guard off the bench who comes in and plays his butt off for 5 minutes and then gets taken out (I realize Tyler is a much better shooter).

The fact of the matter is that Prohm has been horrific at roster management, development, and in-game coaching.

 

[Tre4ISU]

100%. I like Tyler's game but starting and playing the minutes he does just isn't sustainable. It's like Nixon last year where he would've been a nice bulldog type guard off the bench who comes in and plays his butt off for 5 minutes and then gets taken out (I realize Tyler is a much better shooter).

The fact of the matter is that Prohm has been horrific at roster management, development, and in-game coaching.

In game coaching isn't good but the work needs to be done before the popcorn starts popping. Adjustments and such separate the great from the good. What you do at practice gets you in the club. I'm closer to being a member at Augusta that we are to being in the club.

 

[Statefan10]

In game coaching isn't good but the work needs to be done before the popcorn starts popping. Adjustments and such separate the great from the good. What you do at practice gets you in the club. I'm closer to being a member at Augusta that we are to being in the club.

Agreed. That's where my player development critique comes in. Outside of Haliburton and THT, it's hard to find a guy he's recruited out of high school that's fundamentally ready to play in the Big 12.

Lots of guys leaving their feet when passing and closing out, dribbling into traps, not having tight handles, no shot fakes or pass fakes. They remind me of an AAU team that has to play at 7 am on Sunday morning in the losers bracket.

The guys that are fundamentally sound as well as athletically gifted (Haliburton / THT) are usually a dime a dozen and rarely go to programs like Iowa State. You need a coach that can get guys like Terrence Lewis or George Conditt and turn him into something special. Prohm can't do that.

 

[Gunnerclone]

The system has to generate "easy" points. Obviously that won't happen all the time but we get almost none. We get an uncontested 3 here and there but nothing down low. No cutters, no back cuts, nothing. We elect to post Solo, which is fine some of the time but it's not efficient basketball and once you're committed to that, you have effectively cut out any other easy possibility since he's not dominant. No one is doubling and if they do, he's not skilled enough to kill it.

I hate talking about Prohm this way but his system stinks on both ends. Maybe it's a talent issue but even average talent with decent coaching is an average team. With the offers some of these guys have had, I find it hard to believe it's simply talent.

That all goes back to shooting the 3 not just at an acceptable clip but at a top 35-50 level in the country. It opens everything else up.

 

[Sigmapolis]

The system has to generate "easy" points. Obviously that won't happen all the time but we get almost none. We get an uncontested 3 here and there but nothing down low. No cutters, no back cuts, nothing. We elect to post Solo, which is fine some of the time but it's not efficient basketball and once you're committed to that, you have effectively cut out any other easy possibility since he's not dominant. No one is doubling and if they do, he's not skilled enough to kill it.

I hate talking about Prohm this way but his system stinks on both ends. Maybe it's a talent issue but even average talent with decent coaching is an average team. With the offers some of these guys have had, I find it hard to believe it's simply talent.

I know we are what our record says we are, and I don't expect (nor want) Prohm back at this point.

But for everything being really bad, we've sure come close to picking off a lot of good teams this year.

Prohm is reminding me of the late McCarney era in a way -- always playing just below the level of our competition, as opposed to Campbell, who always seems to play just above its level.

 

[Tornado man]

As someone who lives a mile from the CHI Health Center, I hate to say that I agree. There's nothing that feels mid-major about Creighton basketball anymore, especially when they're consistently beating (and even blowing out) Villanova.

Well, GMac is 5-11 against Nova, which is better than most Big East teams...

 

[JP4CY]

THIS.

Hilton gets super loud for two things:
1. Bad officiating
2. Made threes

Hey, what about that one lady up in the corner that yells "rebound" all game long?

 

[06_CY]

We need a hard nosed defensive coach and teams that consistently grind out mid 40's games.




*not serious, except it would be nice to see solid defense.

 

[RustShack]

Is it really that hard to hire an assist that’s an X & O’s specialist, another thats a defense/rebound specialist, and another that’s a recruiting ace?

Maybe the specialists are still decent recruiters, maybe the recruiting ace has other strengths. Maybe the HC can do something?? We’ve had Prohm and his goons so long I don’t even know what a coach does anymore? Observe shoot around?

 

[cyfan4St8]

That's because VanDeVelde was in charge of the Morgan hire......

I wonder if he still reads the message boards and calls and yells at posters.....

My gosh he really was such a crappy AD wasn’t he ....

 

[kansascy]

Is it really that hard to hire an assist that’s an X & O’s specialist, another thats a defense/rebound specialist, and another that’s a recruiting ace?

Maybe the specialists are still decent recruiters, maybe the recruiting ace has other strengths. Maybe the HC can do something?? We’ve had Prohm and his goons so long I don’t even know what a coach does anymore? Observe shoot around?

With the number of assistants we have on the bench, it seems like we could have and X's specialist AND and O's specialist!

 

[jpete24]

We need a hard nosed defensive coach and teams that consistently grind out mid 40's games.




*not serious, except it would be nice to see solid defense.

That's a boring brand of basketball.

 

[CyclonesRock]

Hey, what about that one lady up in the corner that yells "rebound" all game long?

Is she the same lady that yells, "Tackle him!" all game at the football game?

 

[JP4CY]

Is she the same lady that yells, "Tackle him!" all game at the football game?

 

[Tre4ISU]

I know we are what our record says we are, and I don't expect (nor want) Prohm back at this point.

But for everything being really bad, we've sure come close to picking off a lot of good teams this year.

Prohm is reminding me of the late McCarney era in a way -- always playing just below the level of our competition, as opposed to Campbell, who always seems to play just above its level.

That’s the reason I don’t think the talent is as bad as some. I know the system is bad. If the talent was so bad, we wouldn’t be in any games.