Anyone else disgusted with the officials?

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If they called every moving pick, games would take 4 hours and would be 2 on 2 by the middle of the second half. It's very rare that any screen isn't illegal in some way.

Also, Paul Janssen is a good official and all in all Janssen, Kimble, and Daily is a very solid crew. Making a mountain out of a mole hill here.

Whatever helps you cope. That was a gigantic dominant win playing 5 vs 8 last night. We don't have games like that very often unless we're playing KU.
 

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One thing that drove me nuts and is also a practice of the Hoks was the delay tactics to set up the press after made bucket. They warned them once for swatting the ball but after that they would thug our guys so they couldn't pick up the ball to take it out of bounds. That is still delaying the game.

Their dude who got delay of game warning slammed the ball into the ground after a made basket in the second half. I'd say that's typically going to get a T or second delay of game, whichever is more appropriate.

Best/worst is still Jason Kidd spilling water on purpose to get a free timeout he didn't have.
 

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The officiating can not favor one side or the other and still totally suck. This is what's wrong with ref apologists, they think keeping the fouls evened up is the refs doing their job properly.

Good to know I'm not a ref apologist because, you know, I didn't say any of that at all.
 

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The calls Morris and Hogue fouled out on were atrocious, as were several others on Staten. FT's were the only thing that kept WV in the game the last 15 minutes. That reality is, that's life on the road.
 

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How many of you watching heard the remark that there should be a rule that any team playing WVU should not have more fouls then WVU has. I thought it was a sly way to say the refs were missing alot of calls against WVU.
 

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The calls Morris and Hogue fouled out on were atrocious, as were several others on Staten. FT's were the only thing that kept WV in the game the last 15 minutes. That reality is, that's life on the road.

Life on the road 2-3 times a season, but most road games are still officiated where you have a petty fair chance. The @Iowa game was officiated fine. The @WVU game where we got blown out last year was officiated better than that mess last night. Even @KU last year (not two years ago) was officiated much more correctly than last night.
 

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If they called every moving pick, games would take 4 hours and would be 2 on 2 by the middle of the second half. It's very rare that any screen isn't illegal in some way.

This is probably my biggest annoyance with basketball officiating and the way the game is. Sure, at first if they called everything in the rulebook things would be a mess. But over time, teams would adjust or they would start piling up losses to teams that did. The fact that things have gotten out of control is not an excuse to just throw out the rulebook. As is it just allows for a lot of selective enforcement, which as others have said often leads to refs playing the 'keep the fouls even' game (which doesnt mean fair treatment).

We seemed to be making an improvement the last couple of years in officiating dealing with physical teams, but its been noticeable this year that that emphasis isnt as in effect as before.
 

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This is probably my biggest annoyance with basketball officiating and the way the game is. Sure, at first if they called everything in the rulebook things would be a mess. But over time, teams would adjust or they would start piling up losses to teams that did. The fact that things have gotten out of control is not an excuse to just throw out the rulebook. As is it just allows for a lot of selective enforcement, which as others have said often leads to refs playing the 'keep the fouls even' game (which doesnt mean fair treatment).

We seemed to be making an improvement the last couple of years in officiating dealing with physical teams, but its been noticeable this year that that emphasis isnt as in effect as before.

If the NBA got it under control the NCAA can too. I know some act as if they hate the NBA, but the play has been more fun to watch the past 3-4 years when the players are allowed to create on offense.

My fear is that the little progress NCAA made last year will slip away.
 

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If the NBA got it under control the NCAA can too. I know some act as if they hate the NBA, but the play has been more fun to watch the past 3-4 years when the players are allowed to create on offense.

My fear is that the little progress NCAA made last year will slip away.
While I agree with your point the NBA has gone to far the other way. That is with the already more talented people being better at creating offense and making it harder to guard. I want to see somewhere in the middle. Last year wasn't too bad. It could have been better, but it wasn't awful.
 

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That play where Monte threw the ball away, and then mauled the guy to get it back, that led to ISU getting a basket, wasn't slanted to WVU.

Lots of odd calls, but lots of non-calls too.

There's a few times where moving the feet on defense helps to prevent a foul getting called.

That defensive play should be posted on youtube somewhere. Classic. You steal from me, I steal back.
 

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I didn't think the officiating was that bad throughout the game. The worst call was one I haven't seen mentioned yet (maybe I missed it) which was when Nader jumps straight in the air and gets called for a foul when he's completely vertical, which occurred near the end of the game maybe in the final minute or two.

Hogue got called for a blocking foul when he was trying to stop one of Staten's drives to the basket, and I thought he had pretty good position and that it should have been either a no-call or a charge.

It looked to me like West Virginia was a quicker team and did a better job of moving their feet on defense whereas we sometimes get caught playing defense with our hands.
 

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It just seemed to me like they were calling ticky tack stuff against us for the majority of the night, but we won so who cares
 

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I was at the game last night and officiating was awful. What I found hilarious was the calls were extremely lopsided but WVU fans would throw tantrums every time they fouled us.
 

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This is printed after almost every game that ISU plays and definitely after every game ISU plays against an aggressive defense. I only saw the second half once I got home from Lawrence. Once I saw that Georges, Hogue and Morris all had four fouls the first thing that went through my head was "If ISU loses this game their fans are going to freak out about the refs". It's a pretty consistent thing.

Glad you pointed out "their" fans because you are not one yet post more garbage on this board than anyone. Yes, there is such a thing as home cooking. Just go to Lawrence and watch any game live. No team should be allowed to play with such discrepancy in physicallity. KU mauls other teams and gets every tictac play called in "their" favor. Same thing happened against WV last night. If an official allows a home crowd or who the team is affect their calls then this is **** poor officiating. Better teams bench players still pulled it off last night!!
 

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Sorry if mentioned earlier, but did anyone else catch when WVU wasn't out of bounds when they in-bounded after McKay's dunk w/ 13:00 left in the 2nd half? Resulted in a run out and Staten drawing a foul.
 

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Glad you pointed out "their" fans because you are not one yet post more garbage on this board than anyone. Yes, there is such a thing as home cooking. Just go to Lawrence and watch any game live. No team should be allowed to play with such discrepancy in physicallity. KU mauls other teams and gets every tictac play called in "their" favor. Same thing happened against WV last night. If an official allows a home crowd or who the team is affect their calls then this is **** poor officiating. Better teams bench players still pulled it off last night!!

KU getting tacky tack calls is the least prolific part of their officiating bail outs. The Homan free throws, the Withey no foul, the blarge, and that's just against ISU in the past decade or so. The Homan free throws and the Withey thing were just downright refs cheating for KU.
 

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Sorry if mentioned earlier, but did anyone else catch when WVU wasn't out of bounds when they in-bounded after McKay's dunk w/ 13:00 left in the 2nd half? Resulted in a run out and Staten drawing a foul.
It was mentioned already, but was ridiculous. Guy was 5 feet from being out of bounds.
 

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To tuco's comments that their fans probably feel the same way. I read through their game thread and not one about bad calls (except at the end when they said they wanted a foul called but couldn't get one). There were a few like this though: Screenshots_2015-01-11-15-13-43.png

Seems they saw it like we did. Many also said it was lucky to be so close because we shot better and genearly played better and are a bad matchup for them as we are good at breaking pressure. So quite being a ******. It doesn't matter, we won and good teams find a way to win even when the calls don't go your way in a game and I care much more abut being that kind of team than the team a couple years ago that allowed bad calls to beat us. They happen love the grit of these guys like last year's team they are figuring out how to be winners.