These players leavin is better for ISU and the players. If they weren't going to be happy here, no point in trying to "make" them stay. If the root of their leaving is that they didn't want to work hard, who really cares. They weren't going to want to be here no matter what the reason.
A message for Farnold Degand
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The whole "small town Iowa" thing is completely overblown IMO. Yeah, Ames isn't a huge city, but South Bend ain't exactly New York city either. Ann Arbor is a pretty big city in its own right and is close to Detroit I guess. I've been to both of those campuses. Michigan has a bigger campus overall than ISU, but it still has a midwest feel and flavor to it. South Bend was boring as hell IMO.
As for racial makeup, sure, Iowa is predominately white. But I have to say when I lived in Boston I saw more racially charged situations and racist behavior than in any other place I've lived, including Iowa. Funny how Curtis and Will have both made very positive statements about Ames and ISU, and they're both from large cities. I remember during halftime of the Texas game, Ron Franklin talked of how both told him they considered Ames to be a hoops crazy town with great fans (which it is) and how they were trying to get other East coast kids to come to ISU. Apparently they didn't suffer from any "culture shock." Whatever, if Farnold thinks the grass is greener he should leave. We'll be fine without him.
As for racial makeup, sure, Iowa is predominately white. But I have to say when I lived in Boston I saw more racially charged situations and racist behavior than in any other place I've lived, including Iowa. Funny how Curtis and Will have both made very positive statements about Ames and ISU, and they're both from large cities. I remember during halftime of the Texas game, Ron Franklin talked of how both told him they considered Ames to be a hoops crazy town with great fans (which it is) and how they were trying to get other East coast kids to come to ISU. Apparently they didn't suffer from any "culture shock." Whatever, if Farnold thinks the grass is greener he should leave. We'll be fine without him.
If Degand gets a waiver from the NCAA it would open a pandora's box I'm sure the NCAA doesn't want to touch. Every kid in the country that has a coach leave would look to transfer.
If Degand wants to play next season, get placed by his future school at a JUCO.
If Degand wants to play next season, get placed by his future school at a JUCO.
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Sure, but people move for different reasons...I have worked places where people left after a Mgt change because they were getting special treatment from the old manager, and that is what I think is happening here...
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Red, I agree with most of what has been said. I think he is probably hurting himself by transfering, but its not my life and if he doesn't want to be here then we will definitely be better with kids that do. My only point is I have never heard anyone say that Degand sufferes from any of the behaviors that people associate with Taggart. I have only heard very positive things about him from those that I know that are close to the program. I don't know the details of why he is leaving. I am not a mind reader, but I am not going to lump him in with others and say he is selfish. (or lazy or bad attitude, or....all the things I know you didn't say, but often get attributed to Degand when people group him in with Taggart and others).
I was simply calling out the statement that he is selfish. I don't know that to be true, and from what I have heard I doubt it is true. That is why I simply asked the question how is he selfish?
If you were mean he is selfish because he doesn't want to play for ISU then I disagree. He has the right to do with his life whatever he wants and that doesn't make him selfiish. Students transfer for all kinds of reasons everyday and I don't call them selfish.
If you know something about his behavior or character that I don't then I would agree with your post.
Sure, but people move for different reasons...I have worked places where people left after a Mgt change because they were getting special treatment from the old manager, and that is what I think is happening here...
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Red, I agree with most of what has been said. I think he is probably hurting himself by transfering, but its not my life and if he doesn't want to be here then we will definitely be better with kids that do. My only point is I have never heard anyone say that Degand sufferes from any of the behaviors that people associate with Taggart. I have only heard very positive things about him from those that I know that are close to the program. I don't know the details of why he is leaving. I am not a mind reader, but I am not going to lump him in with others and say he is selfish. (or lazy or bad attitude, or....all the things I know you didn't say, but often get attributed to Degand when people group him in with Taggart and others).
I was simply calling out the statement that he is selfish. I don't know that to be true, and from what I have heard I doubt it is true. That is why I simply asked the question how is he selfish?
If you were mean he is selfish because he doesn't want to play for ISU then I disagree. He has the right to do with his life whatever he wants and that doesn't make him selfiish. Students transfer for all kinds of reasons everyday and I don't call them selfish.
If you know something about his behavior or character that I don't then I would agree with your post.
Wow, imo when it comes to Taggart and DeGand some of you guys are making this a lot more complicated than it likely is with all the psychoanalysis and assumptions that you know what these kids are thinking. The fact is that unless you're a player from the state of Iowa or have some family connection to ISU, the main thing that will get you to ISU is how you hit it off with the coaches during the recruiting process and like the style of play. It's just possible that Taggart and DeGand had a strong relationship with Morgan and weren't too happy that he got fired, do ya think? I would say that is very likely what they think since both of them are giving up a lot in order to transfer out. I'm sure G-Mac tried to get them to stay, but they chose not to for reasons only they know, but I'd say a good bet is that they are pi$$ed that Morgan was fired and they may not want to play G-Mac's style. That doesn't mean they are lazy, undisciplined, ungrateful or dumb and I wish both of them success in their future careers.
Dude, the kid is from Boston. He came to play for Wayne Morgan and learn behind Curtis and Will. Are those great choices, I dont know. It's up to him.
All I know is if I went to play for a guy I felt really good about in a big city on the East Coast, I would probably want to come back to Iowa if I felt the situation had changed. Im a small town guy, and like the Iowa life style. Whats so wrong with him wanting a bigger city/ east coast feel?
The last thing we want are guys who dont feel comfortable, and aren't 100% sold on being CYCLONES.
All I know is if I went to play for a guy I felt really good about in a big city on the East Coast, I would probably want to come back to Iowa if I felt the situation had changed. Im a small town guy, and like the Iowa life style. Whats so wrong with him wanting a bigger city/ east coast feel?
The last thing we want are guys who dont feel comfortable, and aren't 100% sold on being CYCLONES.
Hey ajk... that was the problem this year. Other than Marsden, you had a roster full of players that could give a sh** about Cyclone basketball, they could care less about "Hilton magic", and really, from what I could I tell, could give two sh**s about Iowa State University.
GMac has been maligned for saying he was going to recruit midwest kids, but at least these midwest kids might understand the importance of Cyclone basketball to those around them, and maybe will appreciate and embrace that importance, something these players never did.
GMac has been maligned for saying he was going to recruit midwest kids, but at least these midwest kids might understand the importance of Cyclone basketball to those around them, and maybe will appreciate and embrace that importance, something these players never did.
I think Rahshon truely likes being at ISU and being a Cyclone as well as Jiri seems to embrace his fans here.
I think these players care more about ISU than you think igotcloned, i mean, if rahshon didnt care, he would transfer. Its that simple. I'm sure morgan contacted him and asked him to transfer. Jiri, as we have found out over the last week, has more family in Ames than in anywhere else in the US. He cares about Ames. all the new recruits signed or committed after visits, meaning they fell in love with ames and/or ISU. I think that McD wont recruit someone who is committed to themselves rather than to the University. I dont know about Degand and Taggert,but from what ive heard, they werent in the weight room as much as McD wanted, so he gave it to them straight. As you would recall, they both committed to returning to the Clones immeadiately after they first met McD, so it had to be a problem that arose later in the process. Anywho, their spots are already filled (at least degand's is, and hopefully taggert's) so i wish them the best. If i'm totally off, then i still wish them the best.
But that is exactly my point.... GMac has recruited kids that were sold on the school of ISU... Morgan did not. You explain why we lost games in Hilton over the past two years that we had no business losing. Games that Homan, Hoiberg, et al would not allow us to loose in the past:
R Clark: has a fiance at ISU, without her he likely is gone.
Marsden: From Ames
Hubalek: School in Marshalltown
Taylor: JUCO coach is from Dubuque, IA.
Gray: From Davenport
Dunson: From Illinois
McIntosh: Not sure where he fits into this argument, but looks like he will have fun anywhere he goes.
C. Johnson: From Minnesota
W. Johnson: See McIntosh
This team will be a whole lot more fun to watch in the future, because I guarantee you , they will leave it on the floor each and every night.
PS: If Morgan contacted any of these players and told them to transfer without the athlete being released from scholarship, then he is dumber, and a bigger crook than I thought.
R Clark: has a fiance at ISU, without her he likely is gone.
Marsden: From Ames
Hubalek: School in Marshalltown
Taylor: JUCO coach is from Dubuque, IA.
Gray: From Davenport
Dunson: From Illinois
McIntosh: Not sure where he fits into this argument, but looks like he will have fun anywhere he goes.
C. Johnson: From Minnesota
W. Johnson: See McIntosh
This team will be a whole lot more fun to watch in the future, because I guarantee you , they will leave it on the floor each and every night.
PS: If Morgan contacted any of these players and told them to transfer without the athlete being released from scholarship, then he is dumber, and a bigger crook than I thought.
We can agree... People say it wont be as fun to watch, you know what i say? "Bull $hit" Its gonna be agreat season.
Morgan recruited players with Iowa ties (Marsden, Gray, and Hubalek just last year), but reality is that we're likely not even going to get all of the best Iowa players with Iowa, UNI and Drake in the picture, and it's very tough to build a power with only Iowa basketball players anyway. Should G-Mac not have recruited McIntosh because he is from California and has no Iowa ties? There is no guarantee that all of the other out of state kids he recruited will be happy at ISU and some could transfer someday. Time to face reality, we're also going to have to get players that don't have Iowa ties if we want to compete for Big 12 titles. Those players will come mainly because they like the coaches and/or the style of play (or don't have many other high D-1 options). ISU isn't Duke, North Carolina, or at least a dozen other schools that can bring kids in on their name alone. We all love ISU, but it's naive to expect that out of state kids automatically will and some may leave if the coach gets fired.
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R Clark: has a fiance at ISU, without her he likely is gone.
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You really shouldn't make assumptions like that. How do you know that he would leave. He loved it here and played his heart out for us before he even had a fiance. I wouldn't discredit Clark's loyaltee.
R Clark: has a fiance at ISU, without her he likely is gone.
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You really shouldn't make assumptions like that. How do you know that he would leave. He loved it here and played his heart out for us before he even had a fiance. I wouldn't discredit Clark's loyaltee.
I have no animosity towards Degand or Taggert. I absolutely believe that we are better off without them as they were not committed to the work ethic demanded by G-Mac. I believe we will play harder AND smarter this next year. We will have players committed to our program. I believe that Rahshon Clark will take his game to another level this next year. I believe that McIntosh is going to be another Tinsley, in that he knows how to win games. Taylor will be a good solid all-around player like Horton. And we will get adequate inside play from our big men. That will be our Achilles heel next year. Interior defense, rebounding and scoring from the post positions. The improvement that will be made by our big men will determine how successful we are this next year. Next year has the POTENTIAL to be an exciting one.
We need an NCAA rule change. If a player transfers to another school, that player should be required to pay back the scholarship money he received from the school he is leaving.
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We need an NCAA rule change. If a player transfers to another school, that player should be required to pay back the scholarship money he received from the school he is leaving.
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And we should require all graduates to give a manditory 20% of thier income back to thier school. Yes, lets force broke college kids to pay back a school that offered them a scholarship and could have yanked it at anytime. Don't even worry about the situation that is bad enough that they would prefer to sit out a year of the game they love, lets also charge them tuition, out of state likely, when they wouldn't have likely gone to that school in the first place if not for the scholarship.
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We need an NCAA rule change. If a player transfers to another school, that player should be required to pay back the scholarship money he received from the school he is leaving.
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And we should require all graduates to give a manditory 20% of thier income back to thier school. Yes, lets force broke college kids to pay back a school that offered them a scholarship and could have yanked it at anytime. Don't even worry about the situation that is bad enough that they would prefer to sit out a year of the game they love, lets also charge them tuition, out of state likely, when they wouldn't have likely gone to that school in the first place if not for the scholarship.
