8 Year extension for Campbell

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I know I could read all 10 pages...however, do we have the details of this contract yet? Have they been posted? If so, anyone care to reply with a link to the details? TIA

No details and I’m guessing it’ll be a long time before they are finalized and released.
 

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I’ve argued with KState fans about this before. What Bill achieved there is incredible. Taking them from the dumpster to the heights he took them is no small feat. He revolutionized the JUCO and walk on loopholes.

As said above, he did win some conference/division titles but it took some time. He was also in the historically weak XII North (similar to Ferentz in the B1G West). For comparison, Matt spent the first 90% of his tenure in the round robin XII.

I think we as Cyclones may have an inflated view of Bill for a few reasons:
- He had our number. The vampire owned us
- Allegedly he wanted to coach here, but we didn’t hire him
- The “if it can be done there, why not here?” sentiment

We should admire him for his longevity. We’d trade places with KState over the past 30 years in a heartbeat. All those NFL guys, the 11 wins seasons, you name it. But College Football was a different sport then compared to 2024.
All you have to do is look at a few things during the Snyder years to realize how they won so many games each year.

  • Look at how many games they played, vs us during those years. There were years they played extra non cons to pad their wins.
  • Look at who they played. There were years they played multiple FCS programs and as many as 5 G5s.
  • The weak conf schedules of the time (yes we are included in that, we were terrible)
  • The way he skirted the rules for things like partial qualifiers etc.

A few examples.

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And fans that are content with winning seasons and competitive post season play aren't "destroying" ISU football.
And neither are fans who want more , For the record. And no one here (yes, myself included ) is saving anything.

But I will say this, you know what successful people do? Never be content. Always appreciate what you have. But the idea that you need to be satisfied just because ... reasons... is ridiculous. Indiana wasn't satisfied. While I think it was a dumb a** hire, UNC wasn't satisfied.

Whether you like Bezos, Trump, Musk, Obama, the royal family, Jordan, LeBron, etc... they're not content.

And while I don't know him personally outside of super short hey, nice to meet you at clinics and what not, you know who else I"m like 90% or higher isn't content? Matt. Or the rest of the staff. So, presuming I'm correct on that point and pretty sure I am... I'd say its fair for fans to also both appreciate the season that was had, the success that it was, but also, want to keep reaching higher and not just be "oh, well, we won overall so don't care" about XYZ.
 

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And neither are fans who want more , For the record. And no one here (yes, myself included ) is saving anything.

But I will say this, you know what successful people do? Never be content. Always appreciate what you have. But the idea that you need to be satisfied just because ... reasons... is ridiculous. Indiana wasn't satisfied. While I think it was a dumb a** hire, UNC wasn't satisfied.

Whether you like Bezos, Trump, Musk, Obama, the royal family, Jordan, LeBron, etc... they're not content.

And while I don't know him personally outside of super short hey, nice to meet you at clinics and what not, you know who else I"m like 90% or higher isn't content? Matt. Or the rest of the staff. So, presuming I'm correct on that point and pretty sure I am... I'd say its fair for fans to also both appreciate the season that was had, the success that it was, but also, want to keep reaching higher and not just be "oh, well, we won overall so don't care" about XYZ.
You’re like the person who knocks on the door to a party where everyone is having a great time, and says I’m glad you’re having fun but could you keep it down.
 

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You’re like the person who knocks on the door to a party where everyone is having a great time, and says I’m glad you’re having fun but could you keep it down.

Or maybe knocks on the door, sees everyone having a great time, but then chastises them for not having ENOUGH fun!

Never be satisfied, mother *******!!!
 

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Or maybe knocks on the door, sees everyone having a great time, but then chastises them for not having ENOUGH fun!

Never be satisfied, mother *******!!!
That person comes in and joins the party.
 

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Duh!
And neither are fans who want more , For the record. And no one here (yes, myself included ) is saving anything.

But I will say this, you know what successful people do? Never be content. Always appreciate what you have. But the idea that you need to be satisfied just because ... reasons... is ridiculous. Indiana wasn't satisfied. While I think it was a dumb a** hire, UNC wasn't satisfied.

Whether you like Bezos, Trump, Musk, Obama, the royal family, Jordan, LeBron, etc... they're not content.

And while I don't know him personally outside of super short hey, nice to meet you at clinics and what not, you know who else I"m like 90% or higher isn't content? Matt. Or the rest of the staff. So, presuming I'm correct on that point and pretty sure I am... I'd say its fair for fans to also both appreciate the season that was had, the success that it was, but also, want to keep reaching higher and not just be "oh, well, we won overall so don't care" about XYZ.
I don’t think any one here is content. The issue is we won 10 games and this place is as negative as ever.
 

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And neither are fans who want more , For the record. And no one here (yes, myself included ) is saving anything.

But I will say this, you know what successful people do? Never be content. Always appreciate what you have. But the idea that you need to be satisfied just because ... reasons... is ridiculous. Indiana wasn't satisfied. While I think it was a dumb a** hire, UNC wasn't satisfied.

Whether you like Bezos, Trump, Musk, Obama, the royal family, Jordan, LeBron, etc... they're not content.

And while I don't know him personally outside of super short hey, nice to meet you at clinics and what not, you know who else I"m like 90% or higher isn't content? Matt. Or the rest of the staff. So, presuming I'm correct on that point and pretty sure I am... I'd say its fair for fans to also both appreciate the season that was had, the success that it was, but also, want to keep reaching higher and not just be "oh, well, we won overall so don't care" about XYZ.
Neither Matt, Jamie nor anyone returning to the team next year is satisfied. From all indications, they want more. All I can do is cheer and buy swag. But I'm not going to stop cheering or buying swag just because the team doesn't meet my personal (arbitrary) definition of success.

What should I do then to demonstrate my lack of satisfaction? Post angry misgivings on a message board?
 
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Good for Coach Campbell and good for ISU. We have a successful and honorable young coaches who have made Iowa State football and basketball awesome to watch. The programs are something to be proud of. Enjoy it while we can.
 

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Coaching rankings - last 55 years
1. Campbell
2. Bruce
3. Majors
4. Tie between Duncan and McCarney
6. Rhoads
7. Criner
8. Walden
9. Chizik

Duncan was underrated IMO.
I'd put Walden ahead of Criner. I was a student during Criners era. That man sucked as a coach.
 
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And neither are fans who want more , For the record. And no one here (yes, myself included ) is saving anything.

But I will say this, you know what successful people do? Never be content. Always appreciate what you have. But the idea that you need to be satisfied just because ... reasons... is ridiculous. Indiana wasn't satisfied. While I think it was a dumb a** hire, UNC wasn't satisfied.

Whether you like Bezos, Trump, Musk, Obama, the royal family, Jordan, LeBron, etc... they're not content.

And while I don't know him personally outside of super short hey, nice to meet you at clinics and what not, you know who else I"m like 90% or higher isn't content? Matt. Or the rest of the staff. So, presuming I'm correct on that point and pretty sure I am... I'd say its fair for fans to also both appreciate the season that was had, the success that it was, but also, want to keep reaching higher and not just be "oh, well, we won overall so don't care" about XYZ.
Indiana wasnt content with a coach that had 3 losing seasons in a row and 5 out of 7 losing seasons. With the other two not exactly great. With that they hired a coach from a lower level with no guarantee it would work out, and be sustainable.

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And Mac Brown, what he has stated is it was his decision to resign/retire, he is 73 and at some point has to hang it up. Now UNC hired a coach <1 year younger, with 0 CFB experience, that did great in the NFL, but who was force into retirement because no on wanted him in the NFL anymore doesnt feel like a slam dunk hire to me. Especially having to pay him $10M per year. It is a huge risk, may or may not work out for them.

Its not like either of these programs went out and hired a well known coach with a history of championships in FBS. If they wanted that they would have grabbed Saban or Urban or poached someone like Smart etc. Everyone says its about money, well if they truly wanted the best with a proven track record, and not be content with anything less than championships every year, that is exactly what they would do.

Comparing either of those situations with CMC is a stretch. I dont think anyone at ISU, including fans, coaches, players, Administration, etc. Would be content going 6-6 or worse every year. But averaging 8-4 with a random 6 win or below season, as well as a 9+ win season randomly as well, most would be happy. If ISU makes the championship with any regularity, with the chance to make the playoff etc, I think most would be happy.

If you or anyone else cant see how much better of a situation we are in with CMC vs the rest of our history, I dont know what to tell you. That being said ISU goes Sub .500 for a few years in a row, I am sure everyone would expect his seat to bet warm. But in 9 years he has had 7 winning seasons, both in conference and overall. He has averaged 7+ wins overall, when including the losing seasons, and averaging 8 wins in the winning seasons. He has been to the CCG 2 times, been B12 coach of the year 3 times, and AP national coach of the year 2 times. I dont really know what more you can expect, especially at ISU, with what we have for $$, Facilities, desirability, etc. Would we all love to be in the National championship every year? Absolutely! But lets get real. Outside a handful of programs there are not too many that have had the consistency for the number of years CMC has had in recent years. (I believe his win % puts him just outside the top 25, when looking at programs over the last 10 years)

There is a reason his name consistently is mentioned for most openings.