2nd time Miller has stated that iowa shouldn't play ISU...

herbiedoobie

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I wonder if any 8-man high school teams would be willing to play EIU? You'd think that even the schmucks would have an outside chance of beating an 8-man high school team. Especially if they let EIU play 11 men....

But I wouldn't bet on the schmuckeyes, in that case, either.
 

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well the big 10 is a bunch of nobodys iowa has to get strength of schedule by playing teams like western michigan and syracuse
 

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Old Martha er Martee could be rite for once..It sure worked for Kansas schedule a bunch of nobodies win eleven games...dont even play in the championship game and get an easy bcs bowl pick and laugh all the way to Miami Florida.


I'll bet Mizzou sure wishes it could have beaten OU because they got a crummy trip to dallas and a half empty cotton bowl.:biglaugh:

well, considering we had similar chances to take advantage of our big12 slate in the past few years and went 3-0 or 4-0 nonconference and still couldn't do what KU did I think it says something about it being quite a feet. They didn't play anymore patsies than tOSU and they are in the NT game. And, they weren't just beating teams but **** pounding them. Don't buy into the media trying to keep KU down because their name isn't Miami. They are a solid team, maybe not top 2 but certainly deserving of top 10. You realize that it is our conference you are dogging by saying they didn't play anybody. If you mean their nonconference slate then almost all schools except USC and Notre Dame are guilty.
 
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Guys... I love to call B.S on the Hawks as much as the next Cyclone, but let's not be hypocrites. We already DO play a cupcake non-conference schedule.

Has anyone looked at OUR non-conference schedule this year?

(Sagarin Rating) Team
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(132) Kent State
(55) Northern Iowa
(76) Iowa
(124) Toledo

And next year (with this season's rankings)....

(95) South Dakota State
(132) Kent State
(76) Iowa
(117) UNLV
 

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Guys... I love to call B.S on the Hawks as much as the next Cyclone, but let's not be hypocrites. We already DO play a cupcake non-conference schedule.

Has anyone looked at OUR non-conference schedule this year?

(Sagarin Rating) Team
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(132) Kent State
(55) Northern Iowa
(76) Iowa
(124) Toledo

And next year (with this season's rankings)....

(95) South Dakota State
(132) Kent State
(76) Iowa
(117) UNLV

Right...it's not like we're playing anyone before the Big 12 season hits.

Two things boys.

1) In most years, iowa would be a pretty good team to play. As much as everyone likes to spank them around, they're traditionally a ranked team over the past 20-25 years.

2) Nobody is really saying that we should downgrade our schedule. We don't have the talking head of the ISU fanbase on the radio from 2-4 weekdays, like iowa does.

It's not as much about who they play as them saying they should play a lesser schedule. Pointing out the comedy of who they ARE playing is just frosting...
 
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Well in that defense, ISU is a decent team in some years. Even when we're not, we're winning that game. :)

Iowa did play Syracuse and it's hard to tell how good/bad they would be when scheduled.

Just looking at this from all angles.
 

DaddyMac

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Well in that defense, ISU is a decent team in some years. Even when we're not, we're winning that game. :)

Iowa did play Syracuse and it's hard to tell how good/bad they would be when scheduled.

Just looking at this from all angles.

Again, who of note from ISU or what portion of the fansbase, is railing that we shouldn't schedule iowa or anybody else of substanance? Please don't say Steve ***** - we all share the same opinion of him.
 
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ISUFan22

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I just saw the post about our sched vs theirs. Only skimmed the other posts, assumed being that person posted it, someone was comparing schedules.

Carry on...
 

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I think the best solution for the entire BCS mess is that the NCAA require all conferences to have 12 teams (I think when ND State is added that there will be 120 teams, therefore 10 conferences) wherein every team in the conference plays one another and you eliminate the conference championship games. Each school gets to play one non-conference game which will allow for rivalry games. At the end of the season, each conference champ is guaranteed a slot in a 16-team playoff with a committee picking the other 6 teams and seeding them. Therefore, every game still counts and you don't create a disincentive to schedule a good non-conference opponent.

What you fail to understand is that the conferences comprise the NCAA, not the other way around. The NCAA exists because the conferences, and member schools, need a body to govern them all. Inter-collegiate athletics existed before the NCAA came into existence, and there is nothing keeping the NCAA afloat other than the member schools. The minute the conferences start getting their business decisions dictated to them by the NCAA is the day the NCAA ceases to exist. On top of that, this plan would be a financial train wreck for the mid-majors, who gain significant amounts of money by playing BCS conference teams every year.
 

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Eh....im in favor of ISU playing more bcs conference schools. Ive wished for the longest time they would have a home/away with the like of Minnesota and Illinois. They could build some regional rivalries that way. Those schools are nowhere near perenial powerhouses, but teams that on occasion have a solid year here and there.

Onto kansas, in thier defense they throttled teams. Not just beating, but destroying them....to me thats plenty of evidence that they had the skills to give you chills.

Heres the thing for me that im worried about....(the schedule is already made till 2015 IIRC anyways, so this argument doesnt mean much here) but...If ISU repeatedly goes 3-1/4-0 in NC play and doesnt dominate cupcake schools and then repeatedly only wins 4 conference games they will probably not get much respect from the pollsters in the event that they have a 9 or 10 win season down the road. Back to kansas, they severely dominated so they got the benefit of the doubt.

I've heard countless iowa fans claim they want the USC/OU type non conference schedule eah year. I think thats crazy. While I think ISU/IU are better off not playing the big name schools right out the gate, i believe they can gain more by playing a little better competion before conference play.
 

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On top of that, this plan would be a financial train wreck for the mid-majors, who gain significant amounts of money by playing BCS conference teams every year.

Bingo. I can't understand how many people fail to realize that college football is about money. It's not about who's the true champion, It's not about getting good OOC match ups, it's about the dollar. Most mid majors, especially the lesser ones, bank on that one big game a year. That literally is their bowl game and helps to support them for the year to come. I know everyone wants to bash the BCS, myself included, but, if the bowl system were to ever get cut out completely and we widdled all 120 teams down every year to 16 that get picked for a tourney to decide the NC, college football will be dead except for the select few that consistently make that tournament. I'm not naive enough to think that ISU will ever consistently be part of that 16 teams, but, it's nice to hope that we could consistently go see an ISU football game in a warm climate sometime after Christmas and hopefully New Years Day. I really don't want that to go away. Then college football becomes about being National Champion instead of just getting a good bowl game.

Anyways, back to the topic at hand. With money considered, it's hard to imagine that the ISU vs. Iowa game doesn't generate a good amount of money for the schools involved. There is a lot of advertising for it. And a lot of merchandise is sold and generated for the game. Not to mention all the people that seem to show up that don't even go into the game. So, yeah, it would take a ton of research, but, it's hard to believe that the Iowa ISU game doesn't build up more money for us than playing the University of Ohio.

Even a conference game against Kansas or Missouri doesn't bring up the buzz. It's because the schools are close. It's an easy travel even if you don't have tickets and it's a fun atmosphere.
 

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