2025 Transfer Options

[Texbudman]

BYU will compete against Houston for the big 12 title next season. We could be between 3-6 in my opinion if we keep the current roster

Only if BYU's defense improves a bunch. If the threes aren't they need something to fall back on.

 

[Cyclad]

No, not $600,000. It is $600. Virtually any NIL deal that would be signed will exceed that and require "review".

I stand corrected. This is ridiculous - this will be almost every deal. I hope Deloitte has a bunch of people assigned this task.
I still believe there will be many lawsuits.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

I think they are supposed to validate that the NIL purchaser (The University or private company) is getting something in return for use of the NIL of the athlete. For example, a car dealership has to show that using Cooper Flagg's NIL in commercials actually generated web traffic on their car dealership website or foot traffic at the brick and motor dealership location. There are ways of measuring this from a marketing standpoint.

The goal is to avoid some rich oil man just dumping a bag o' cash on athletes to buy championships.

And yeah, Deloitte is gonna get rich off this contract. And it will be a complete shid show.

So, for the dealer in question. One extra test drive is worth $5M to him. Boom, fair market value for the services of whichever athlete.

It's going to be a disaster.

 

[ForeverIowan]

Probably not a guy we'll look at but a very good player from where I live. Great shooter and good defender (3.1 steals/game). Coming fom a very good team this year UC San Diego...

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He was arguably the best player on a really good UC San Diego team. He would be an absolute homerun. Better player than the kid we lost to Wisconsin.

 

[GrayerNot Mayor]

Sampson is a good coach but where is Houston getting their NIL fund from? Hakeem and Clyde donating that much?

Oil $$$ my man.

 

[FinalFourCy]

So, for the dealer in question. One extra test drive is worth $5M to him. Boom, fair market value for the services of whichever athlete.

It's going to be a disaster.

So many ways around FMV

Or just litigate it to into submission

And, just go old school and ignore it.

Enforcement is only as effective as the will of all schools to enforce. The P4 are the ones setting up the entity in charge of this. So I expect a lot of the standard bs of coming down hard on low value brands, while looking the other way when OSU violates FMV

 

[qwerty]

I think they are supposed to validate that the NIL purchaser (The University or private company) is getting something in return for use of the NIL of the athlete. For example, a car dealership has to show that using Cooper Flagg's NIL in commercials actually generated web traffic on their car dealership website or foot traffic at the brick and motor dealership location. There are ways of measuring this from a marketing standpoint.

The goal is to avoid some rich oil man just dumping a bag o' cash on athletes to buy championships.

And yeah, Deloitte is gonna get rich off this contract. And it will be a complete shid show.

You would think they may require comparable deals with non-athletes also. So, they can't pay a college student athlete $400k for a TV commercial and a local celebrity $2k for the same (although that is pretty subjective how much traffic each would generate).

 

[LLCoolCY]

Williams former teammate.

 

[isucy86]

You have it backwards. The idea is to create space in the lane for driving, and to allow the bigs to do their work in the post. Without reliable shooters, defenses can pack it in (which has been the scouting report on ISU outside of last year). And that's when we see the offense get stagnant.

What you describe is a very small part of the Cyclone offense. Typically, 2-man game with entry pass from the wing. The vast majority of our half-court offense centers around high ball screens- either PnR, horns or weave action.

Our offense was clicking when Gilbert and Lipsey were driving the paint and either finishing at the hoop or flipping it out to a jump shooter on the 3 point line. So if he's a guard who can get in the lane, opponent wing defenders have to collapse to help, giving perimeter guys open shots.

IMO with recent recruiting TJ is bringing in bigger guards to have the quickness and athleticism to finish in the paint strong. And being a 6'5" guard would help in that respect. Gilbert was solid at finishing in the paint because he was like the rubber band man with a knack for creating contact or making some crazy shot. Lipsey has a talent for using his strength and body to score close-in.

 

[t-noah]

Are you talking about legitimate NIL, or pay for play? I'm pretty sure pay for play is no longer allowed in addition to revenue sharing.

There is a significant clause in the proposed settlement that says “every NIL deal over $600 will be reviewed for fair market value.” Review by Deloitte. You’d think that kills pay for play, but no one knows how they will interpret “fair market value.”

The problem becomes that 'Fair Market Value' is what someone is willing to pay. You can't put a number on it.

I think they are supposed to validate that the NIL purchaser (The University or private company) is getting something in return for use of the NIL of the athlete. For example, a car dealership has to show that using Cooper Flagg's NIL in commercials actually generated web traffic on their car dealership website or foot traffic at the brick and motor dealership location. There are ways of measuring this from a marketing standpoint.

The goal is to avoid some rich oil man just dumping a bag o' cash on athletes to buy championships.

And yeah, Deloitte is gonna get rich off this contract. And it will be a complete shid show.

I think the East India companies will decide the fate of the world.

 

[isucy86]

I stand corrected. This is ridiculous - this will be almost every deal. I hope Deloitte has a bunch of people assigned this task.
I still believe there will be many lawsuits.

Mentioned it in a previous post. I think NIL payments might apply. The $600 threshold is an IRS requirement for 1099-NEC. Here is copy from IRS website.

If you pay independent contractors, you may have to file Form 1099-NEC, Nonemployee Compensation, to report payments for services performed for your trade or business.

If the following four conditions are met, you must generally report a payment as nonemployee compensation.

1. You made the payment to someone who is not your employee;
2. You made the payment for services in the course of your trade or business (including government agencies and nonprofit organizations);
3. You made the payment to an individual, partnership, estate, or in some cases, a corporation; and
4. You made payments to the payee of at least $600 during the year.

 

[JVAR]

Williams former teammate.

He would be perfect but his price tag will be high I imagine.

 

[SoleCyclone]

Williams former teammate.

Watched video on him and looks like he plays exactly like Milan. Not sure he's a fit at swing Forward

 

[jcyclonee]

So many ways around FMV

Or just litigate it to into submission

And, just go old school and ignore it.

Enforcement is only as effective as the will of all schools to enforce. The P4 are the ones setting up the entity in charge of this. So I expect a lot of the standard bs of coming down hard on low value brands, while looking the other way when OSU violates FMV

As Jerry Tarkanian said, "They're so mad at Kentucky that they're going to put Cleveland State on probation for two more years."

 

[TheDudeAbides]

What you describe is a very small part of the Cyclone offense. Typically, 2-man game with entry pass from the wing. The vast majority of our half-court offense centers around high ball screens- either PnR, horns or weave action.

Our offense was clicking when Gilbert and Lipsey were driving the paint and either finishing at the hoop or flipping it out to a jump shooter on the 3 point line. So if he's a guard who can get in the lane, opponent wing defenders have to collapse to help, giving perimeter guys open shots.

IMO with recent recruiting TJ is bringing in bigger guards to have the quickness and athleticism to finish in the paint strong. And being a 6'5" guard would help in that respect. Gilbert was solid at finishing in the paint because he was like the rubber band man with a knack for creating contact or making some crazy shot. Lipsey has a talent for using his strength and body to score close-in.

Agreed on needing guards who can drive and finish at the rim.

What I was saying wasn't describing the Cyclone offense necessarily. More making a point that the lack of consistent outside shooters (minus this yr) has led to long stretches of stagnant offense because the defense can pack it in, and more easily cutoff those driving lanes we're talking about. Also leads to more turnovers from trying to force the issue as we saw late in the season this year even.

What's better than a guard that can drive and finish, is a guard that can drive and finish as well as hit FT's at a high clip. Outside of Jones, that seems to have been an allusive piece of the puzzle for ISU. Seems like so many teams going deep in the tourney have 2-3 guards that can hit at an 80%+ rate. Major advantage late in games.

 

[cykadelic2]

The problem becomes that 'Fair Market Value' is what someone is willing to pay. You can't put a number on it.

Deals registered from boosters and collectives will be automatically red flagged by Deloitte. Which is why there is a current mad scramble to get their deals done before the House Settlement gets approved later this month. For example, JT Toppin’s $4M deal with presumably oil man Cody Campbell which would not get past the Clearinghouse after House approval.

Deloitte has FMV comps up the ying yang and will focus on those booster and collective deals that are obvious outliers.

 

[Drew0311]

Williams former teammate.

Sucks we don’t have a Washington state pipeline or anything. Anyway anyone know what Jazz kunc is up to lately

 

[cyclones12321]

they were this year. 19-1 in league and shouldn't have lost that.

And to think we gave them a run for their money without Gilbert and Jones. Followed that by losing to OSU which crushed my soul

 

[bawbie]

As was mentioned yesterday - Robert Wright III from Baylor did enter the portal and committed to BYU immediately

Also reported that BYU paid $3M+ for him.

 

[GP4ISU]

Deals registered from boosters and collectives will be automatically red flagged by Deloitte. Which is why there is a current mad scramble to get their deals done before the House Settlement gets approved later this month. For example, JT Toppin’s $4M deal with presumably oil man Cody Campbell which would not get past the Clearinghouse after House approval.

Deloitte has FMV comps up the ying yang and will focus on those booster and collective deals that are obvious outliers.

Do you believe there will still be an element of “how much entertainment/revenue” do you bring in when calculating FMV or will it be more the extra curricular (signings, tv ads, etc) value?