***2021 Olympics thread***

[Clark]

Maybe @Clark is a massive women's gymnastics fan all 365 days of the year, but I wouldn't put money on it.

It's funny how do nothing nobodies who don't have any insight about what's happening are ******** and moaning about her not competing in a sport they don't even care about.

Did I criticize Biles? Keep my name out ya mouth asshat

It's my favorite Olympic sport though I'd never call myself an expert and certainly don't follow it 365 days a year.

So in case your reading comprehension sucks (or my writing sucks) let me say again that Biles made the exact same decision most elite athletes would make. She knew there was a problem but tried to fight through it until she couldn't.

 

[3TrueFans]

We're still at the point, and probably always will be because people suck, where mental issues are something that should just be ignored. If you break your ankle, fine, but if you have a mental break it's something you should have seen coming. She some how should have known a month ago that this is what would happen during the Olympics, and because she didn't, she's weak and a failure. Sorry @Clark and knownothing, you're terrible and wrong and you should feel bad.

 

[Clonefan32]

except that's not what Biles did. She didn't warm up and say she just didn't have it to let her team know she wouldn't be able to go (could an alternate replace her, I'm not sure on rules there) Instead she did a terrible vault which cost her team several points considering how strong they are in vault and then said she couldn't go.

In your example, it would be like if Dustin Johnson teed up the first tee, yanked it three miles to the left and said I'm sorry guys I just can't do this, forfeiting the match.

Briles was stuck in a terrible spot with no good solutions, and completely imploding on all four apparatus just to try and fight through it would have been far worse both for her and for her team. She didn't make the right choice, the right choice very clearly would have been to ask out before the games started so that the US could replace her on the roster. She didn't make the worst choice, either. She made the one most people would make in that situation, to try and fight through it until she couldn't.

But here's the difference, you can't get paralyzed playing golf (well, maybe I could as bad as I am...)

Here's a great article on what she had going on:

Simone Biles got the 'twisties' during the vault and it could have been deadly (msn.com)

I found this Tweet particularly interesting:



So she tries it, realizes she doesn't have it, realizes she's putting her safety at risk, and realizes that in her current state she's not helping her team. What exactly am I missing here?

 

[dahliaclone]

We're still at the point, and probably always will be because people suck, where mental issues are something that should just be ignored. If you break your ankle, fine, but if you have a mental break it's something you should have seen coming. She some how should have known a month ago that this is what would happen during the Olympics, and because she didn't, she's weak and a failure. Sorry @Clark and knownothing, you're terrible and wrong and you should feel bad.

There was a guy on Twitter earlier today that responded to the CNN story of Biles. This Twitter guy responded saying she was 'weak'. He then said something like 'it's her job. I don't get or need take mental breaks from my job. She's weak.'

That got him put on blast and the poor guy had to delete his account because he couldn't take the replies he was getting.

 

[Clark]

We're still at the point, and probably always will be because people suck, where mental issues are something that should just be ignored. If you break your ankle, fine, but if you have a mental break it's something you should have seen coming. She some how should have known a month ago that this is what would happen during the Olympics, and because she didn't, she's weak and a failure. Sorry @Clark and knownothing, you're terrible and wrong and you should feel bad.

now you're just being a **** lol.

Lets back up a second, do you think she just now knew that something was wrong? Did you watch the US trials?

Saying it for at least the 3rd time as you suck at reading comprehension, maybe I'll go all caps so your dumb ass can understand.

SHE MADE THE SAME DECISION ANY ELITE ATHLETE WOULD HAVE MADE.

how in Gods name you find that to be me criticizing her is beyond me.

She should have pulled out at the US trials, that part is pretty obvious. No athlete is going to do that though, especially when she was still performing well enough to help the team and herself win gold.

 

[Rabbuk]

Pretty sure the possibility of Simone being as good as Simone could be is worth more than pre-emptively dropping her and adding the 9th or 10th best gymnast in the country.

 

[coolerifyoudid]

Critics truly don't get how much dedication competitive gymnastics takes. It completely takes away a girl's childhood. Some start as early as 4 years old, train for 3-6 hours every day, have tutors for schooling, miss out on socializing, and miss out on knowing how to handle other life issues because they don't experience them.

Their bodies are put through rigorous conditioning while they are still trying to develop and their body image is constantly scrutinized. Good gyms have safety protocols in place, but there are still constant injuries due to the nature of their sport. All of this occurs before they become teens. Also, their career falls in the youngest age demographic of any competitive sport.

To top it off, many of these girls were sexually victimized by the people assigned to train them and look after them, which is abominable.

I realize that many go through the sport with good experiences, but I'm amazed there aren't more issues within the sport. It's drastically different than any other sport experience given the age when these girls go through it all.

 

[3TrueFans]

now you're just being a **** lol.

Lets back up a second, do you think she just now knew that something was wrong? Did you watch the US trials?

Saying it for at least the 3rd time as you suck at reading comprehension, maybe I'll go all caps so your dumb ass can understand.

SHE MADE THE SAME DECISION ANY ELITE ATHLETE WOULD HAVE MADE.

how in Gods name you find that to be me criticizing her is beyond me.

She should have pulled out at the US trials, that part is pretty obvious. No athlete is going to do that though, especially when she was still performing well enough to help the team and herself win gold.

"she should have pulled out at the US trials" is based on nothing but hindsight and bull****, unless you're close personal friends with her? She should have pulled out because she stumbled at trials? She should have pulled out because she knew this would happen at the Olympics?

 

[Clark]

But here's the difference, you can't get paralyzed playing golf (well, maybe I could as bad as I am...)

Here's a great article on what she had going on:

Simone Biles got the 'twisties' during the vault and it could have been deadly (msn.com)

I found this Tweet particularly interesting:

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So she tries it, realizes she doesn't have it, realizes she's putting her safety at risk, and realizes that in her current state she's not helping her team. What exactly am I missing here?

I guess you're missing the fact that I have never, not once said she should have continued. ****, I don't think she should have done the vault at all, because as you've pointed out she could have really hurt herself.

She tried to fight through it, no different than all the other injuries she's tried and usually fought through.

My only criticism, and it's very mild as I don't think many would have done differently, is just like with an ankle injury if you can't go you can't go. Trying to do it when you can't just makes things worse for everybody. That falls on coaching too. If Simone said she didn't think she could do it but her coaches told her to push through it, then it's on them.

 

[jsb]

But here's the difference, you can't get paralyzed playing golf (well, maybe I could as bad as I am...)

Here's a great article on what she had going on:

Simone Biles got the 'twisties' during the vault and it could have been deadly (msn.com)

I found this Tweet particularly interesting:

View attachment 87538

So she tries it, realizes she doesn't have it, realizes she's putting her safety at risk, and realizes that in her current state she's not helping her team. What exactly am I missing here?

that article and the one in the post helped me understand. I didn’t fault her for dropping out before but didn’t understand completely.

but the explanations of the gymnastics form of the yips was educational.

 

[Clark]

"she should have pulled out at the US trials" is based on nothing but hindsight and bull****, unless you're close personal friends with her? She should have pulled out because she stumbled at trials? She should have pulled out because she knew this would happen at the Olympics?

She didn't just stumble at trials, but I'll agree that I'm making an assumption that her disastrous vault was a culmination of things that have been brewing for awhile that she was fighting through and not something that just started that day.

 

[jsb]

Critics truly don't get how much dedication competitive gymnastics takes. It completely takes away a girl's childhood. Some start as early as 4 years old, train for 3-6 hours every day, have tutors for schooling, miss out on socializing, and miss out on knowing how to handle other life issues because they don't experience them.

Their bodies are put through rigorous conditioning while they are still trying to develop and their body image is constantly scrutinized. Good gyms have safety protocols in place, but there are still constant injuries due to the nature of their sport. All of this occurs before they become teens. Also, their career falls in the youngest age demographic of any competitive sport.

To top it off, many of these girls were sexually victimized by the people assigned to train them and look after them, which is abominable.

I realize that many go through the sport with good experiences, but I'm amazed there aren't more issues within the sport. It's drastically different than any other sport experience given the age when these girls go through it all.

I mean we don’t see or hear about the athletes that are ruined by the sport if they hadn’t quite made the elite level. Before nationals this year I hadn’t heard of anyone on the team except Simone.

 

[Clark]

"she should have pulled out at the US trials" is based on nothing but hindsight and bull****, unless you're close personal friends with her? She should have pulled out because she stumbled at trials? She should have pulled out because she knew this would happen at the Olympics?

I think you're mistaking what I believe she should ideally have done vs what I think she reasonably could have been expected to do.

I've said repeatedly that no athlete would have made that choice and you've repeatedly ignored that.

 

[coolerifyoudid]

I mean we don’t see or hear about the athletes that are ruined by the sport if they hadn’t quite made the elite level. Before nationals this year I hadn’t heard of anyone on the team except Simone.

Did you read my last paragraph? My point was kinda in there.

 

[enisthemenace]

I hate when somebody uses that phrase. Please don't use that anymore.

No need to criticize everybody. Mental health is something that 99.99% of the people don't understand (including those affected). It is hard to grasp what we don't understand.

My apologies. I will use my words more carefully.

 

[enisthemenace]

But here's the difference, you can't get paralyzed playing golf (well, maybe I could as bad as I am...)

Here's a great article on what she had going on:

Simone Biles got the 'twisties' during the vault and it could have been deadly (msn.com)

I found this Tweet particularly interesting:

View attachment 87538

So she tries it, realizes she doesn't have it, realizes she's putting her safety at risk, and realizes that in her current state she's not helping her team. What exactly am I missing here?

I don’t think you’re missing anything at all.

 

[shagcarpetjesus]

Apples, oranges

Exactly. If Tom Brady goes out there and tries to play through mental issues, anxiety, etc., the worst case scenario is he throws a bunch of incompletions, a couple picks, and his team loses the game. If Simone Biles isn’t 100% locked in mentally, she’s risking a severe head/neck injury with possible lifelong ramifications.

A case of the yips in golf means you miss putts, in baseball you can’t throw the ball to first. In elite gymnastics, it could mean crashing into the floor head first and risking severe injury or paralysis. Pretending like all sports are the same is stupid.

 

[madguy30]

There was a guy on Twitter earlier today that responded to the CNN story of Biles. This Twitter guy responded saying she was 'weak'. He then said something like 'it's her job. I don't get or need take mental breaks from my job. She's weak.'

That got him put on blast and the poor guy had to delete his account because he couldn't take the replies he was getting.

I have quite a zinger here but will hold off...I'll just say this sounds familiar.


Anyway, watching rowing now.

Anyone ever rowed? If I had a lake-side sort of home I'd have a solo set up.

 

[dahliaclone]

I have quite a zinger here but will hold off...I'll just say this sounds familiar.


Anyway, watching rowing now.

Anyone ever rowed? If I had a lake-side sort of home I'd have a solo set up.

Only time I've ever rowed was at Orange Theory Fitness and I want to die every time I do it.

 

[Gunnerclone]

But here's the difference, you can't get paralyzed playing golf (well, maybe I could as bad as I am...)

Here's a great article on what she had going on:

Simone Biles got the 'twisties' during the vault and it could have been deadly (msn.com)

I found this Tweet particularly interesting:

View attachment 87538

So she tries it, realizes she doesn't have it, realizes she's putting her safety at risk, and realizes that in her current state she's not helping her team. What exactly am I missing here?

I feel like in gymnastics you can’t just “switch it up” easily either. She’s been practicing these things for hours.