I just find the whole piling on Fred thing stupid. He’s been gone 5 years, move on already. He brought us an era of sustained success that we may never see here again.
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Oh come on, it is a metonym and you know it. It doesn’t take a genius to see that Fred ran a pretty loose ship, which was to his benefit much of the time but came back to bite him in 2015 when the program starting having some very high, championship ambitions. It would not have shocked me if that would have been the start of a trend, not an aberration.
We sure got lucky avoiding the pending doom coming under Hoiberg!
At least, that’s what a few posters tell themselves as they cry themselves to sleep. The more Prohm loses, the more prominent thus coping mechanism becomes imo.
I do not know where anybody is "piling on" Fred here.
In a rare moment of consensus on here, I think we all appreciate what he did in Ames and thank him for revitalizing the program after Morgan and McDermott. I think all of us would probably agree, too, that the "best" solution would have been Fred committing to Iowa State and the college game for the long haul, working on his weaknesses as a coach,* and probably having a long and productive career in Ames.
*Everybody has a few, unless your name is Red, Pat, Phil, Pop, Coach K, John Wooden, or Dean Smith. Fred's limited but very present flaws in Ames included little commitment to playing defense and dominating on the boards, the long-term of uncertainty of relying on a transfer market that was going to become more competitive at some point, and needing to want to do the hard work of grinding out with recruiting. He also needed to learn to tolerate that college basketball is an unfair game and a cesspool when programs like Kansas can pay their players so much and swimming in the deep end with the sharks (e.g., with Vaughn and UNLV, etc.) can be quite the frustrating and bad experience.
Alas, he did not commit to such a story, went off to Chicago and ruined his reputation, and now he is trying to rebuild it in Nebraska. I doubt he will be able to do it consider his level of recruiting so far, and BT had Nebraska as #121 nationally next year. Nevertheless, he was an excellent college basketball coach in Ames, but that does not mean he was somehow a perfect one. Pointing out a few of his limitation is not "piling on." We all appreciate what he did and wish he stayed, but life is not always a happy ending.
What a complete strawman.
Pointing out Fred might have stalled about where he was in 2014 and 2015 with a very good program in the #10-25 range or so nationally but not advance further is not "pending doom and gloom." It is acknowledging some of the (relatively few) problems the program had in those two years -- again, lack of defense and consistency of effort -- holding it back from winning a Big 12 regular season title, which some of you still say is the ultimate arbiter as to if a team and a coach is finally successful in Ames somehow.
I just find the implied and explicit "Fred had the program ascending!" messages quite tenuous or even nonsensical. I would imagine the most likely outcome for Fred sticking around longer is oscillating about that same level -- a very good level, mind you! -- but finding breaking into the top ten nationally on a consistent basis for a non-blue blood is very hard to do, if not impossible, so he might have been "stuck" there if only for the fact the level of competition was so intense and the college game so dirty.
The harder you push on a spring, the harder it pushes back at you.
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OK. Let's be honest for once. I don't think anyone truly hates Fred on this site unless they are a troll.
I think it's just tiresome for some Fanatics who support our team no matter who the coach is to continually hear Prohm compared to Fred. It is a counterproductive and futile discussion.
While Fred had his own coaching issues that limited his very talented teams from reaching the next level (primarily playing NBA defensive schemes that don't work as well with a shorter three point line), he was a great coach and great for rebuilding the ISU program. Deep down, I think everyone appreciates that.
I truly think he may have even overcome the above issues and taken the program to the next level if he truly wanted to be at ISU for life as I think he would've landed some of those elite recruits if he would have been able to honestly say I'll be there for your entire career.
However, his dream and his heart were elsewhere.
So, I for one won't dwell on a someone who's eyes are drifting to the next best thing. Maybe its my old school upbringing, but I prefer to just let him go, wish him well and appreciate what I have rather than comparing someone who doesn't want to be at ISU with someone who does.
Cue the complaining from the Prohm must be fired clan.
I think it's just tiresome for some Fanatics who support our team no matter who the coach is to continually hear Prohm compared to Fred. It is a counterproductive and futile discussion.
While Fred had his own coaching issues that limited his very talented teams from reaching the next level (primarily playing NBA defensive schemes that don't work as well with a shorter three point line), he was a great coach and great for rebuilding the ISU program. Deep down, I think everyone appreciates that.
I truly think he may have even overcome the above issues and taken the program to the next level if he truly wanted to be at ISU for life as I think he would've landed some of those elite recruits if he would have been able to honestly say I'll be there for your entire career.
However, his dream and his heart were elsewhere.
So, I for one won't dwell on a someone who's eyes are drifting to the next best thing. Maybe its my old school upbringing, but I prefer to just let him go, wish him well and appreciate what I have rather than comparing someone who doesn't want to be at ISU with someone who does.
Cue the complaining from the Prohm must be fired clan.
So cool that every thread gets turns into something about Fred and Prohm
I'm really excited about Harris. He's good
I'm really excited about Harris. He's good
That’d be great. Really sucks about Walker, though. Kids that fall behind under Prohm have never caught up.
That's not true. Solomon caught up pretty well his freshman year. It's normal for an injury to set back a freshman, regardless of coach.
True, I forgot about Solo. Hopefully this ends like Solo and not like Zion.
Also I meant it more as a “recent history” than a jab at Prohm. Happened with Custer under Hoiberg, too, although that was an illness.
he entered portal on March 27th
committed to UCLA on April 9
so assuming they started waiver process that next week, 6 week turnaround?
