I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss Klieman. He has been a part of all seven NDSU FCS championships; 4 as head coach and 2 as Defensive Coordinator.
Coach Messingham, I've seen both pluses and minuses ...
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Actually, your point doesn't stand until we get underway. Right now, you're just bloviating about what you think, not know, but believe will happen in the future. Klieman's wearing 7 national championship rings for a reason. It's impossible to know today whether or not that means beans to his K-State success.
NDSU has ALL of the advantages at the FCS level so to question whether or not Kliemans success translates to P5 football isn't out of line.
That 2013 Iowa State team was one of the worst I’ve ever seen. Kansas State is in for a rough year probably, but they will probably be better than our 2013 team.
I agree with that statement which is quite different than this one you made earlier: I have a hard time not seeing K-State falling off big time.
Correct, I have a hard time not seeing K-State falling off. Much like Iowa State, the deck isn't stacked in K-states favor. What I said isn't out of line...
You're out of line!
For some reason my Seneca-lad sometimes copies as normal, sometimes inserts as a thumbnail and sometimes doesn't insert at all.
Carroll has the NCAA champ with USC in 2004 and the Superbowl win with the Seahawks in 2013.
Brown has the NCAA champ with UT in 2005. Couldn't find any championships higher than conference in any of his asst. coach positions.
I wasn't counting NFL championships only college, but that was my decision. It wasn't clear what the intent was there. Most of the pro leagues in the US arrogantly declare their champions "World Champions" rather than national champions.
Carroll won back to back NC at USC in 2003 and 2004.
I need to try harder. Memory is slipping, evidently yes.
I see the Gameday crew has Ku going bowling. Les for COY. But then again, they do have bowling allies in Lawrence. Surely, that was the reference?
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Yeah I don't remember ISU exactly being what the rest of the Big 12 wanted to be during Herman's years in Ames.
Wasn't there something where CPR would push for bubble screens no matter what even though it really wasn't a strength to begin with?
I recall that Messignham's offense would often score on the first drive then spin its wheels for a while. He had a decent scripted game, but didn't fare well vs adjustments.
CM was a part of some good ISU scoring efforts here and there, but i always felt it was due in part top the pace of play and possessions. Regardless of all that ISU had an assembly line of QBs that would look great their first few times out there, then level off at mediocre at best. Defense routinely stunk so mediocre QB play wasn't going to get it done.
I think when Mangino took over, ISU ironically enough could never score on their first drive.
CM was a part of some good ISU scoring efforts here and there, but i always felt it was due in part top the pace of play and possessions. Regardless of all that ISU had an assembly line of QBs that would look great their first few times out there, then level off at mediocre at best. Defense routinely stunk so mediocre QB play wasn't going to get it done.
I think when Mangino took over, ISU ironically enough could never score on their first drive.
Maybe, just maybe, Paul Rhoads was telling Courtney Messingham what plays he had to call. K-State was heavy on the halfback dive plays last night but only ran one bubble screen and one read option. The bubble screen was good for 5 yards. The read option darned near got QB Skylar Thompson's head knocked off. I would not look for it to be called again in the near future.
