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Discussion in 'Big XII Conference' started by surly, Aug 22, 2019.
I had completely forgotten that KState hired Mess. What a hilarious reminder to end the day on.
I thought he ran way too much zone read. It was his bread and butter play. Rhoads forced the spread on Herman/Mess because he found it hard to defend as a DC. Herman was a lot better at it, although he sometimes got way too cute throwing the ball and out-thinking himself. I would guess that Mess does a lot better with a pro set...his thought seemed to be in a one back spread, you needed the QB run to keep teams honest. Well, the very first game, UNI keyed on the RB and let the QB get his 5 yards and then put a hit on him. By the end of the game, the QB was limping around. 100% outcoached by Farley at UNI. Mess was consistently plagued by injured QBs and rotating new QBs in because he ran them too much.
Nice guy, good position coach, bad OC. Maybe with a more traditional offense and less decisions to make, he'll do better...he did at NDSU.
Don't forget he'd also throw his injured QBs under the bus in interviews.
I will always appreciate Robert McFarland. When Chizik left for Auburn, he continued to recruit to ISU and even got a couple kids to commit knowing that he was gone also and with no head coach at the time. He was 100% loyal to ISU and his job.
Honestly I don’t agree. Our offense sucked during Herman years just as bad. Actually Messinghams 2013 offense scored more for the season total than any of Herman’s offenses. We really fell in 2013 because our defense turned into hot garbage under Wally Burnham.
I still think it's funny that Mess is a coordinator and Rhoads is still stuck as a positions coach. It's telling.
We all know that Tuco won't show up till midnight madness at KU. Then he'll tell us how great they are, Self is awesome blah,blah,blah.
@surly it doesn't matter what we think of Mess, the Wizard is gone, K-State is going to sink faster than the Titanic.
ISUs offense sucked balls with Herman. ISU scored less per game in conference under Herman than it did under Mess, Mangino, and Mangino (fired)/Sturdy(interim).
Not sold on Herman as some offensive wizard. He was great at Rice. He was bad at ISU. Urban Meyer has had a ridiculous offense every year, every place, with every OC. Herman's had an inconsistent offense at Texas despite having superior talent week in week out.
Well yeah, but other than that lengthy and illustrious list, we have no national championship coaches on any previous staff.
You guys are dicks.
Is Ron Prince on the staff?
<He asked hopefully...>
That very well could be the case. However, Klieman has been a huge early success down here winning over fans, hiring assistants, recruiting, social media, the press, and filling in holes left by the departure of almost every playmaker: Barnes, Rison, Zuber, Risner, etc. The first game is sold-out and that's against Nicholls State. So, EMAWs are pumped for this transition. But yes, we were for Prince as well.
Looking back, most of us felt it was time for coach Snyder to hang it up. Last year got ugly: quarterback controversy, Sean Snyder, bottom half finish, fold at ISU, no bowl. We'll soon see if that fan feeling then about his retirement was wise or dumb. At this point though, Klieman has done everything the right way and seems a perfect fit, unlike Prince.
Everyone should feel sorry for Courtney Messingham. He has inherited an offense that is in worse shape than the one he left at Iowa State. His fullbacks and running backs available for this season have 0 carries, 0 receptions, and 0 returns in Big 12 play. It does not get any worse than that!
Yeah, 9th seems a logical preseason place for this K-State team.
One of the worst offenses I ever saw. And this is Iowa State ffs.
I believe Mack Brown and Pete Carroll were both on the staff at ISU early in their careers and went on to win NC somewhere else.
Tell us about these "pluses"...
I didn't even look at everyone. However they have to have 2 Natties to not be exceeded by Mess's two back to back NC at NDSU. I think Carroll qualifies but doesn't Brown only have one NC?
I feel like CPR was the only person that thought Messingham was a good hire. I just remember the discussion I had with my fellow cyclone fans and how pissed off we were that Iowa State settled on the easy hire.
Mess calling plays at NDSU doesn't mean he's ready for P5 football again. He was at the "Alabama" of FCS and had an advantage at every single position on both sides of the ball. Honestly, same can probably be said for Klieman. How many head coaches make the jump from FCS to to a P5 head coaching position? I have a hard time not seeing K-State falling off big time.